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Old November 25 2011, 06:00 AM   #256
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Me too. I'm so shocked by his death. I didn't see it coming.
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Old November 25 2011, 06:44 PM   #257
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I still don't get why Hale was written out of the show so abruptly but maybe the master plan was to replace him with Roosevelt, who, being black, would be a better character in that role for the Juice plotline. The other shoe still needs to drop.
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Old November 26 2011, 02:31 AM   #258
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I still don't get why Hale was written out of the show so abruptly but maybe the master plan was to replace him with Roosevelt, who, being black, would be a better character in that role for the Juice plotline. The other shoe still needs to drop.
I've read somewhere that the actor wanted out, kinda like what happened with the guy who played Half-Sack.
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Old November 30 2011, 05:10 AM   #259
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I am officially in awe of Tara. She has learned a lot from Gemma and now the student has surpassed the master. Tara has really shown a dark, ruthless side of herself this episode that won't be fooled anymore by Gemma and their mother-daughter bond which seems to be falling apart.

Jay finally knows the truth after four seasons. I admit I expected more rage from him but maybe why he didn't rage a lot when learning the truth is because on some level, he may have known or suspected Clay of being capable of this sort of thing once the pieces of those events like his father's "accident", the mechanic's death, and Clay's opposition to a gun-free direction for the club came together.

Will Jax finally kill Clay?

How would Tara react if Jax doesn't decide to leave Charming?

These are the two questions swirling in my mind after tonight's episode and will keep on swirling until next Tuesday.
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Old November 30 2011, 09:10 AM   #260
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I think Tara is dead. Either her or Gemma. An old lady for an old lady, in the Niner's eyes anyway.
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Old December 4 2011, 07:06 PM   #261
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both gemma and clay are going to die this season. and the cartel story will continue onto the next season wrap up. this season has been awesome all the way through and way better than the last. I think what's going to happen at the big cartel/Irish meet the cartel will set up the Irish and take them out once and for all. now I am not sure if the fed story arc will wrap up this season either, I think it'll continue onto the next season. juice and boby are still in costudy.

I am still not sure why the got the black gang back into this. I know they were using them to cover up opi trying to kill clay but to go off and do what they did was messed up.
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Old December 4 2011, 11:03 PM   #262
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I think they framed the Niners to take attention away from their dealings with the cartel. I think someone initially asked about the Mayans role in the hit on Clay...and clearly the Sons don't want any attention drawn towards their dealings with these 2 groups, so blame the Niners and no one looks at the activities that really are going on with the real guilty parties...
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Old December 4 2011, 11:15 PM   #263
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yeah but did'nt they just make peace with niners just a couple episode ago.
and they said it was'nt the niners but unmarked or "colored african americans".
and to run 'em down in the car the way he did was just wrong....

I am so looking forward to this season finale a lot shake up's and I think the body count be up as well.
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Old December 4 2011, 11:23 PM   #264
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Agreed. But I hope the body count doesn't go too high...the Sons can'y possibly maintain any sort of power with just Jax, Opie, Chibs, Tig, Happy and the prospects!

I also hope they don't kill Clay just yet. It needs to happen, but I think the show will really suffer without Ron Perlman's presence over a possible 2 plus seasons.
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Old December 5 2011, 01:06 AM   #265
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Agreed. But I hope the body count doesn't go too high...the Sons can'y possibly maintain any sort of power with just Jax, Opie, Chibs, Tig, Happy and the prospects!
Apart from those, there's not much left of the SAMCRO. Clay can't possibly be a part of the club after all that's happened in last few episodes. Piney is dead. Juice is done, he'll either enter the witness protection program or will be killed by the club if he ever gets out. Bobby is in prison and will probably remain there for a long time, due to everything Otto told to Potter.
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Old December 5 2011, 02:37 PM   #266
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Can Ottos testimony really hold any weight in court? He has been in jail since the show started and can really only present hearsay evidence. He can say the club asked him to do things but there is no proof he can present to substantiate his accusations. Anything that happened outside the walls of the prison he could have no direct knowledge of.
In any event that rat really needs to burn.
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Old December 5 2011, 04:51 PM   #267
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Whatever Otto told Potter was from when Otto was part of the club, isn't it? Otherwise it's not really a testimony but indeed just a hearsay and it wouldn't be enough for a guy like Potter.
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Old December 5 2011, 09:36 PM   #268
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well either way we'll find out tomarrow and then it back to son's with drawl.

what this show really need is a prelude movi dealing with all this.

cast of charcters for a possible prelude movie:

gemma
john J.T
Clay
Ottis
Ponies

this is just a hypothisis of course I am not sure who else I am missing for a possible movie but it would be a great idea.
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Old December 7 2011, 05:00 AM   #269
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Wow.

Where do I start?

The RICO operation came to a WTF! end. I think the Potter character is interesting, more interesting than Stahl. There are qualities in him that I find admirable and other qualities in him that make me loathe him. I knew he was going to screw up the Charming Heights project and I love his response to Hale asking him why he did it.

It turns out killing Laroy’s girlfriend is bringing in another major bad guy into SOA’s life. Like, the Sons don’t have enough
heat from law enforcement and the Cartel.

I love the scene between Jax and Clay. Tense and epic like I thought it was going to be. I think Clay was trying to tell
Jax that Gemma manipulated him into killing J.T. and that she was in on the murder. I wish he could have told Jax but Jax would probably have considered it as one of Clay’s many lies.

Chibs being the new Segerant-in-Arms. He deserves it but Tig isn’t too happy about it and I foresee some future conflict between him and Jax.

Tara is standing by Jax’s side as the new Gemma to his J.T. Gemma doesn’t seem happy with being replaced but to hell with her.

All Hail King Jax and Queen Tara!
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Old December 7 2011, 05:46 AM   #270
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I've been enjoying this season but that was an absolutely awful finale. Half the story lines ended on the CIA reveal, meaning we essentially wasted time with Juice and the investigation. Then there was the bullshit cop-out regarding Clay and Jax having to stay. Where do I even start on the mellow dramatic final scene?

Ugh. Very disappointing.
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