Frank Miller completely loses the plot

[Captaindemotion]

"We're the goddamn Spartans!"

[RJDiogenes]

"Are you retarded? We're the goddamn Spartans!"



Edit: Oops. Should have clicked for the next page.

[RJDiogenes]

Heh. Actually, it was a tie. Look at the time stamps.

[Captaindemotion]

^ Great minds think alike.

Then again, fools seldom differ.

[stj]

Sci wrote:

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I'm afraid your impression is mistaken. Nolan's Batman films encompass a lot of different influences -- Frank Miller's Batman: Year One is only one of them. Nolan's Batman is influenced by everything from Denny O'Neil's Batman: The Man Who Falls to Alan Moore's The Killing Joke to Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's The Long Halloween.

Thanks for the details. The only one I've of these I've read is Moore's.

[the G-man]

the G-man wrote:

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...in order to truly discuss Miller's post, one must be able to discuss the OWS movement itself: it's goals, its tactics, its membership....

Miller claimed that the Occupy Movement was, in essence, a bunch of criminals. The arrest records would seem to bear this out. There have been many, many, more arrests than one saw at a Tea Party rally, more than three hundred, in fact.

And that doesn't include the guy who shot at the White House and the protester who was found with a handgun in NYC this weekend.

All of which tends to make Miller look at least a bit less crazy than some have alleged.

I suppose one can say "yeah, but...you can't judge an entire movement by 300+ members."

However, the Occupy Movement wants us to think of them as some sort of unified force (hence, the "we are the 99%" rhetoric).

There is also the fact that there weren't 300 arrests of tea partiers.

Finally, it comes back to hypocrisy. There were far too many people, including celebrities and comic book professionals, who wanted to smear the entire "tea party" movement for things that had nothing to do with them (see, eg, the Giffords shooting). But when the "Occupy" clowns are found to have hundreds of thugs in their midst, many on the left suddenly says "oh, no, we can't have anyone generalize them. That wouldn't be civil."

Based on the arrests so far, Miller seems to be more accurate than, say, Janeane Garofalo.

[CorporalCaptain]

You forgot to blame the Occupy Movement for the floods in Thailand.

[the G-man]

That's stupid. They aren't in Thailand. The only thing the "Occupy" movement has in common with Thailand is an alleged propensity for child rape (using the same "guilt by association" theory that was so popular when discussing the Tea Party).

[David cgc]

That article you linked to on the White House shooting is embarrassing. He "may" have spent time at the camp? "One wonders" if he filled out registration paperwork? Well, golly, gee goddamn whiz, it's a shame the Wall Street Journal isn't some kind of journalistic organization with reporters and shit which might be expected to actually find out actual facts and then publish them. Then they might actually have something to say other than vague rumors and unsubstantiated innuendo.

[stj]

the G-man wrote:

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[But when the "Occupy" clowns are found to have hundreds of thugs in their midst, many on the left suddenly says "oh, no, we can't have anyone generalize them. That wouldn't be civil."

Based on the arrests so far, Miller seems to be more accurate than, say, Janeane Garofalo.

One wonders why they bother having trials if being arrested means you are guilty. Or, to put it another way, the Tea Party is racist scum bankrolled by people like the Koch brothers, and therefore the same kind of people as cops. Of course Tea partiers didn't get arrested, they were officially approved!

[sidious618]

the G-man wrote:

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Miller claimed that the Occupy Movement was, in essence, a bunch of criminals. The arrest records would seem to bear this out. There have been many, many, more arrests than one saw at a Tea Party rally, more than three hundred, in fact.

The Tea Party loses no matter that argument because the Tea Party and its policies would hurt the poor, the ones who have no voice. To compare OWS and the Tea Party is absurd. We're talking about the party that wants to let people without health care die. I will not address Tea Party vs. OWS anymore in this post because it's an absurd comparison.

Now as to the arrests, yes, there have been many. That's what happens when there is civil disobedience. Martin Luther King Jr. was also arrested. I guess the Tea Party is now better than him, too?

And that doesn't include the guy who shot at the White House

That article is so poor that I won't waste time rebutting it. What I will say is that the man in question had very libertarian viewpoints. Is there a group out there that'd like him?

All of which tends to make Miller look at least a bit less crazy than some have alleged.

Not at all.

I suppose one can say "yeah, but...you can't judge an entire movement by 300+ members."

However, the Occupy Movement wants us to think of them as some sort of unified force (hence, the "we are the 99%" rhetoric).

This doesn't even make sense.

[the G-man]

stj wrote:

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Of course Tea partiers didn't get arrested, they were officially approved!

Ah, the old "it's a conspiracy" dodge. I hope your tinfoil hat isn't too tight.

[stj]

^^^The news media publicized the Tea Party from the very beginning. That was open, no, it was blatant. The Occupy movement was buried as long as possible, and that too was blatant. There was no conspiracy, just the same old same old. False facts you make up yourself are the mental equivalent of tin foil hats however.

[Steve Mollmann]

stj wrote:

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^^^The news media publicized the Tea Party from the very beginning. That was open, no, it was blatant. The Occupy movement was buried as long as possible, and that too was blatant. There was no conspiracy, just the same old same old. False facts you make up yourself are the mental equivalent of tin foil hats however.

This is demonstrably false.

[Brian]