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Old November 14 2011, 02:13 PM   #376
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

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This show needs to learn how to write its women better.
Sci-fi / Fantasy writers seem to have a difficult time getting romance and interpersonal conflicts right George Lucas had trouble with it and so did Roddenberrry and Berman.

On topic with last nights show. What is Herschel's point of keeping the zombies in the barn? Does he think he can cure them?
He mentioned in the first episode we meet him something about someone finding a cure. When Rick mentioned the visit to the CDC Hershel still seemed insistant that someone will find a cure.

I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
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Old November 14 2011, 02:27 PM   #377
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I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
This is a good idea.

My first thought was that it explains the emptiness of the farm, by providing enough of an overall zombie-density on his property. This might hold if zombies tend not to congregate in groups that are too large, relative to some other distribution of resources.

The balance between humans and zombies may have been upset by the arrival of our heroes. Perhaps unless more zombies are put in the barn?

Just some musings there. I know they can be shot down.
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Old November 14 2011, 02:50 PM   #378
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He mentioned in the first episode we meet him something about someone finding a cure. When Rick mentioned the visit to the CDC Hershel still seemed insistant that someone will find a cure.

I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
I see. So Hersechel doesn't believe they are dead. That Herschel wants them to disarm on his property makes sense now to the storyline. And now why he wants them to leave.
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Old November 14 2011, 02:52 PM   #379
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He mentioned in the first episode we meet him something about someone finding a cure. When Rick mentioned the visit to the CDC Hershel still seemed insistant that someone will find a cure.

I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
I see. So Hersechel doesn't believe they are dead. That Herschel wants them to disarm on his property makes sense now to the storyline. And now why he wants them to leave.
He thinks they can be cured, which is why he keeps them safe in the barn.
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Old November 14 2011, 04:29 PM   #380
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They really need to find Sophia. This was a good episode, but it should have happened at least one earlier.

Also fun to see Michael Rooker, though.
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Old November 14 2011, 04:37 PM   #381
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They really need to find Sophia. This was a good episode, but it should have happened at least one earlier.
I agree 100% about that. And Sophia's mother didn't even seem concerned about her in last night's episode - or minimally disengaged.

Also fun to see Michael Rooker, though.
Great actor. I loved him in JFK.
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Old November 14 2011, 04:49 PM   #382
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I believe the old man thinks it is a disease and like any other disease that it can be cured.

I bet his wife is roaming around in that barn.

Refresh my memory - does the series insinuate that the people actually die or does the high fever "kill off" the personality centers of brain leaving a being functioning on an animalistic level? I just assumed the necrosis was part of the disease and that they are not really dead Jim!
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Old November 14 2011, 04:52 PM   #383
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Refresh my memory - does the series insinuate that the people actually die or does the high fever "kill off" the personality centers of brain leaving a being functioning on an animalistic level? I just assumed the necrosis was part of the disease and that they are not really dead Jim!
Last years season finale when they were at the CDC established the fact that they actually die and then are reanimated. Dr. Jenner displays a person's brain and how the transformation happens.

I'm wondering though who would patent zero or one be for this to happen?
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Old November 14 2011, 05:01 PM   #384
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I would like the explanation better if they did not actually die. I like the idea of death being mimicked and necrosis being a symptom. I probably just made up an explanation that I liked better and ran with it.

Now that I think about it. I do remember Jenner showing his wife's brain scans and then showing the reanimation after death.
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Old November 14 2011, 05:01 PM   #385
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He mentioned in the first episode we meet him something about someone finding a cure. When Rick mentioned the visit to the CDC Hershel still seemed insistant that someone will find a cure.

I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
I see. So Hersechel doesn't believe they are dead. That Herschel wants them to disarm on his property makes sense now to the storyline. And now why he wants them to leave.
He thinks they can be cured, which is why he keeps them safe in the barn.

I agree that the story will go in that direction, Heshel thinks they are still curable, thats why he keeping them, but I find that really hard to swallow.
The man is a veterinarian , even if all he has ever done is work on farm animals, he has to understand the basics of mammalian physiology. A mammal cannot survive more then a few days without consumming water. He has to know the Zombies aren't drinking water, so he should to know there is no hope.

And then there was his speech about comparing it to AIDS, he had a good point, afterall, remember when the government totally collapsed for serveral months due to AIDS and all near by major cities fell to the infected ; then , just like Heshel said, we found a cure and everything went back to normal?

Oh wait, that's not what happend... it's almost like a sane person would have a hard time drawing a paralell between AIDS and the Zombie Virus.

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Old November 14 2011, 05:05 PM   #386
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I would like the explanation better if they did not actually die. I like the idea of death being mimicked and necrosis being a symptom. I probably just made up an explanation that I liked better and ran with it.

Now that I think about it. I do remember Jenner showing his wife's brain scans and then showing the reanimation after death.
Here's another question. Why doesn't the zombie virus also affect the animals?

Another observation about the episode - they establish the fact that Atlanta was fire bombed as people were trying to escape. Why wouldn't the government take more drastic actions to end the spread of the virus? e.g. nuclear weapons.

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Old November 14 2011, 05:50 PM   #387
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I imagine the barn contains family and friends lost to the walkers who Hershel believes can be brought back once a cure is found. He probably doesn't believe they are dead, but more like victims from "28 Days Later."
This is a good idea.

My first thought was that it explains the emptiness of the farm, by providing enough of an overall zombie-density on his property. This might hold if zombies tend not to congregate in groups that are too large, relative to some other distribution of resources.

The balance between humans and zombies may have been upset by the arrival of our heroes. Perhaps unless more zombies are put in the barn?

Just some musings there. I know they can be shot down.
I guess those beat my idea that he uses zombies to pull his plow.
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Old November 14 2011, 06:27 PM   #388
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I agree that the story will go in that direction, Heshel thinks they are still curable, thats why he keeping them, but I find that really hard to swallow.
The man is a veterinarian , even if all he has ever done is work on farm animals, he has to understand the basics of mammalian physiology. A mammal cannot survive more then a few days without consumming water. He has to know the Zombies aren't drinking water, so he should to know there is no hope.

And then there was his speech about comparing it to AIDS, he had a good point, afterall, remember when the government totally collapsed for serveral months due to AIDS and all near by major cities fell to the infected ; then , just like Heshel said, we found a cure and everything went back to normal?

Oh wait, that's not what happend... it's almost like a sane person would have a hard time drawing a paralell between AIDS and the Zombie Virus.

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Old November 14 2011, 06:31 PM   #389
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I agree that the story will go in that direction, Heshel thinks they are still curable, thats why he keeping them, but I find that really hard to swallow.
It's not supposed to make sense. Hershel is in a state of deep denial.
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Old November 14 2011, 06:41 PM   #390
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The bombing of Atlanta scene? that implies that some area was not so infected that they could organize this. Was Atlanta ground zero for the infection? Something at the CDC itself? If it was still contained and they really had wanted to destroy it in its early stages, “nuke it from space; it’s the only way to be sure."
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