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Old November 5 2011, 08:42 PM   #196
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No, but for some players it will be considerably less and I can understand feeling shafted in their place.
i got my emblems on 9 toons... future VA veterans will get the new token.
it's those players who already have one Vice Admiral, picked a single character VA ship and never got the emblems even for only one character, who get left behind a bit...
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Old November 5 2011, 09:59 PM   #197
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Which is exactly what happened to me. Only one toon at VA, and been there for quite a while. Already have a VA ship, so my understanding is that even with the new token, I won't be able to get a different one, correct?

So, don't get the emblems that everyone else got, which would have been nice upgrades to a few weapons. Don't get a ship, which is the replacement reward.

Why wouldn't I be pissed, exactly?

Only part of this that helps is that for characters that aren't at VA yet, I'll be able to get a free VA ship when I get there. Of course, all that is is giving back something that they stole from me, as my last character got that for free anyway.

Taking away 2 things, and then giving one back, how are people supposed to be happy about that?

Honestly, unless things turn around pretty quickly, just about done with this BS. Game has gone to shit, no new content, all the changes are basically just geared towards forcing us to grind or pay to get around it. They've based their entire model around hypothetical new players that will join when it goes F2P, and completely ignored all the players that have kept the lights on for them for the past 2 years.

When the pissed off players leave, and the new players fail to materialize (or fail to pay for all the micro-transactions, given that it doesn't seem that the silver level is much more limited than the gold level), what happens then? Talk about taking a game that was on a nice upward trajectory and just driving it into the ground...

I'm pissed at this point that I have a LTS, so I can't vote with my wallet and cancel my subscription over this. Best I can do is quit playing. Which sucks, as I liked things well enough to buy the LTS in the first place. Waiting to see how things work if the F2P ever goes live, but based on how they've been treating their subscribers lately, can't imagine it's gonna make me wanna stick around.
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Old November 5 2011, 11:44 PM   #198
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Which is exactly what happened to me. Only one toon at VA, and been there for quite a while. Already have a VA ship, so my understanding is that even with the new token, I won't be able to get a different one, correct?

So, don't get the emblems that everyone else got, which would have been nice upgrades to a few weapons. Don't get a ship, which is the replacement reward.

Why wouldn't I be pissed, exactly?

Only part of this that helps is that for characters that aren't at VA yet, I'll be able to get a free VA ship when I get there. Of course, all that is is giving back something that they stole from me, as my last character got that for free anyway.

Taking away 2 things, and then giving one back, how are people supposed to be happy about that?

Honestly, unless things turn around pretty quickly, just about done with this BS. Game has gone to shit, no new content, all the changes are basically just geared towards forcing us to grind or pay to get around it. They've based their entire model around hypothetical new players that will join when it goes F2P, and completely ignored all the players that have kept the lights on for them for the past 2 years.

When the pissed off players leave, and the new players fail to materialize (or fail to pay for all the micro-transactions, given that it doesn't seem that the silver level is much more limited than the gold level), what happens then? Talk about taking a game that was on a nice upward trajectory and just driving it into the ground...

I'm pissed at this point that I have a LTS, so I can't vote with my wallet and cancel my subscription over this. Best I can do is quit playing. Which sucks, as I liked things well enough to buy the LTS in the first place. Waiting to see how things work if the F2P ever goes live, but based on how they've been treating their subscribers lately, can't imagine it's gonna make me wanna stick around.
Wait and see is the best thing you can do really...
I've decided that I will try the best I can to take advantage of any change in my favor.
I'm carefully testing out for example if i can't use the dilitium exchange to get around the grind.
buying Cryptic points low and selling them again high.
So get my investment back and turn the profit into more profit to get the better gear...
Sad, that they make you a broker like this. but at least I can play what I want in the meantime without getting gated into the repitive content they want me to do.
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Old November 6 2011, 12:29 AM   #199
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Easier for you to be content, having received 2250 emblems for your 9 characters. Plus a VA ship (because they gave those out at promotion, just like every other rank).

What I got, by contrast? They've allowed me to get a VA ship. Unless my toon is a VA already, in which case, nothing. And seeing as how it's a reward for 500 days of subscribing, pretty damned good chance my primary toon is a VA, right?

Your VA toons got enough emblems to get purple gear for your ground troops, and a few purple weapons/shields/consoles/whatever for the ship, or half the emblems needed for another ship.

Mine literally got nothing.

Sad part is that it really wouldn't take much effort to do SOMETHING to make people feel better about it. If they're worried about messing up the planned economy that they haven't really thought through anyway, throw us a different treat. There was mention of some special BOFF, which while not nearly as valuable, would still be something to show they at least tried. Or at least make the stupid VA token redeemable for a VA ship, even if you already got one. What's the harm in being able to swap between the galaxy and defiant or intrepid?

Mostly annoyed/mad because I got the galaxy class for my VA ship, and then later bought the Galaxy-X, so have no use for my VA galaxy ship. Was hoping that the reward would give me enough to get me halfway to a different class, but instead I got a token I can't use. Yay?
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Old November 6 2011, 01:24 PM   #200
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Still trying to get my head around how not receiving something you didn't already have on a character you haven't even rolled is theft.
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Old November 6 2011, 02:50 PM   #201
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Let's make it easy for you, then: Prior to their change, every character got a VA ship token at promotion, yes? THey've removed that. THen they took away the 250 emblems that you got for paying for this mediocre game for 500 days. Then they want to blow smoke up our ass and tell us that the new big reward is that they'll allow us to get the VA ship token again. Yay? Used to get that PLUS 250 emblems, now they've graciously decided to let us have the toekn back.

Great for characters that hadn't made VA yet, I guess (other than not getting the 250 emblems, which was a great reward). For characters that already are VA, you get neither the ship NOR the emblems, and they're still calling it a reward. What's the reward, exactly?

I'm confused about what they're saying, honestly. You keep parroting that most of the toons aren't above CMDR or so, but also that their main focus to this change is to slow down progression, as they want to cite some guy with a weekend and a case of redbull that could get all the way through. Is leveling a problem or not?

Only way, IMO, that you can show stats that say most are CMDR or below is if you count every inactive account, or count secondary toons that don't get used much by regular players. I.E. shady math you're only using to try and convince yourself of something you know doesn't really mean what you want it to.

Trying to wrap my head around how you can read this thread lately, or ANY thread in the STO forums, or any review/press about this game lately, and come away with positive feelings. This thing is being run into the ground, and they're switching between ignoring their customers and telling them that everything is great!

Hell, even the biggest appologists on the STO forums have either gone quiet or started questioning things. It's getting ugly, and Cryptic just isn't listening.

It's all geared towards the hypothetical new F2P player who will appear and start dumping money on the game. Problem is, STO doesn't really appeal to hardcore MMO gamers. Alot of grind, and getting worse. They're killing crafting. VERY repetitive gameplay. Almost no social aspect. Just BEING F2P isn't enough anymore, the whole market is going that way, you have to compete with the game itself, not just that it's free. And the game is a lot more for casual players, and they're killing that.

But please, keep telling us everything is fine, most players are happy with the changes, and new content will be here soon!
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Old November 6 2011, 07:22 PM   #202
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Let's make it easy for you, then: Prior to their change, every character got a VA ship token at promotion, yes? THey've removed that.
No they haven't; none of your characters who received that have had their token removed.
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Old November 6 2011, 07:23 PM   #203
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But please, keep telling us everything is fine, most players are happy with the changes, and new content will be here soon!
Nice straw man. Please quote me on those.
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Old November 6 2011, 09:32 PM   #204
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Feel free to re-read your own posts, but you've been pretty much nothing but a STO shill since you started posting in these threads. Wasn't so bad when things were actually going alright in the game, but it's looked pretty silly as we enter month 8 of the content drought, the developers alternate between ignoring the players and telling them that they'll love the new changes (and soon!), etc.

Tell me, as the guy running (I assume?) the STO IRC channel, what's been YOUR take on how the customer base is feeling about things recently? If it hasn't either gotten quiet as people quit playing, or alternately if the mood from those left hasn't grown increasingly frustrated/hostile, I'll eat the DVD that STO came on. There's no way you can feel things are going well here, but you seem intent on sticking to the company line...
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Old November 6 2011, 09:38 PM   #205
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Let's make it easy for you, then: Prior to their change, every character got a VA ship token at promotion, yes? THey've removed that.
No they haven't; none of your characters who received that have had their token removed.
Nonsense. For anyone that's already VA, it's a complete non-issue. They're obviously not going to take the ship away (never said that, speaking of strawmen), but you don't get another ship either. Or emblems, etc.

For players that aren't VA yet, understanding is that if they ever actually launch the F2P model, taking the VA token away is EXACTLY what they are doing. And the special reward for being a paying customer for 500 days is that they won't take it away from you.

So again: If you're already VA, you get no emblems and no new ship token. If you aren't VA yet, you get no emblems, and they've graciously decided you can still have the ship token. W00T!

Still think that's a pretty shitty 'reward'. Especially from the perspective of this imaginary new F2P customer. For the new guy, they'll have to subscribe for 16 months in order to get the VA ship comped. Pretty good chance that the primary toon for any new player will never get that token, as they'll have to get a ship before then. I guess for a new player's 2nd or 3rd toon, maybe it'll help?
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Old November 6 2011, 09:50 PM   #206
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Feel free to re-read your own posts, but you've been pretty much nothing but a STO shill since you started posting in these threads.
So, instead of trying to defend your strawman, you're just going to reiterate it. Figured.
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Old November 6 2011, 10:18 PM   #207
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Right, I'm going to go through 14 pages of this thread, and a couple hundred of the last one, and grab bits of all your posts. If you'd like to make a much quicker counter-example, though, feel free to quote a single post of yours where you say anything less than positive about Cryptic or the game in general. Bet you can't find one... No reason for me to spend that much time going through all your posts, as I'm sure you'd then dispute them one at a time, tell us they were out of context, etc.

Instead of trying to distract us on this tangent, though, care to comment about any of the REST of the posts?

Plenty to talk about there, but you seem to want to avoid that for some reason. Then again, that's how the STO forum has been lately, too. DEVs either ignore the complaints, ban people and close the threads, or tell us that they're giving the LTS "more love" (one of their direct quotes) as they focus entirely on the potential new F2P players (really just ways to force them to pay for micro-transactions) at the expense of the people that have been putting food on their table for the past 2 years. (Believe that "feeding their children" was one of your hyperbolic statements, no?)
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Old November 7 2011, 12:48 AM   #208
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You posted eight paragraphs. I took exception to one word in one sentence, and you say that makes me a shill.

Anything less than 100% agreement with you is a shill.
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Old November 7 2011, 12:51 AM   #209
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I just want the game to introduce some new gameplay content. My brother and I have been splitting a lifetime subscription, and enjoying ourselves, but in the past couple of months have barely played at all, because there isn't much left to actually do, other than repetitive scan/kill everything missions.
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Old November 7 2011, 12:52 AM   #210
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I just want the game to introduce some new gameplay content. My brother and I have been splitting a lifetime subscription, and enjoying ourselves, but in the past couple of months have barely played at all, because there isn't much left to actually do, other than repetitive scan/kill everything missions.
Yep. That's by far the biggest problem with the game right now; the gameplay issues are nitpicks in comparison.
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