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Old November 4 2011, 01:32 PM   #16
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

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Since Singer was going for a more grounded approach, pretty much all of the X-Men bad guys from the comics were D'Qed from being in the film series.
I don't see how the Hellfire Club is less grounded than Magneto or Sinister less grounded than Stryker and Weapon X.

Hell, using Bolivar Trask as the head of Weapon X in the second movie would've made more sense than Stryker.
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Old November 4 2011, 07:13 PM   #17
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Eh, none of that plot stuff really bothered me too much. My problem was just the general lack of depth in the writing and characterizations.

The richness and sophistication of Singer's movies was completely missing.
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Old November 4 2011, 07:34 PM   #18
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The notion of a "crime against Geekdom" makes me smile.
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Old November 4 2011, 07:41 PM   #19
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^ It could be worse. I remember one of the less grounded writers on AICN comparing inviting Tom Rothman to Comic-con (or some other geek festival) to inviting Hitler to a Shoah rememberance.

Because, obviously, making a few bad judgement calls regarding the X-Men trilogy is comparable to attempted genocide. And I'm pretty sure Rothman is Jewish, into the bargain!
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Old November 4 2011, 07:42 PM   #20
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

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Hell, using Bolivar Trask as the head of Weapon X in the second movie would've made more sense than Stryker.
A version of Trask appeared in X3, but he didn't appear to have anything to do with Sentinels in that film. However, he also appeared in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game, where it was shown that he took part in the project to create the Sentinels. Also, the commentary of X3 states that there is a secret Sentinel project going on behind the scenes during the timeframe of the film.
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Old November 4 2011, 08:12 PM   #21
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I still haven't gotten over the way that "redwood forest" they were in seemed to be composed entirely of twigs. Has the director never seen a redwood? Idiot! Ruined the suspension of disbelief right there!

However, X3 was nothing like the massive crime against humanity, nature and the cosmos that George Lucas committed with the PT.
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Old November 4 2011, 08:28 PM   #22
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

I love the first two films, but still have yet to watch X3 or XO:W. I am looking forward to renting First Class asap though. Should I bother with X3 and XO:W?
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Old November 4 2011, 08:29 PM   #23
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

My big things I don't like is:

They set up the Phoenix storyline

But all we get is the Phoenix standing around next to Magneto. I wanted to see the Shi'ar and the fight on the moon! I wanted to see the Phoenixeat some suns and destroy some planets! What a wasted opportunity.

Boy, I'd love to make a few million dollars doing nothing but looking good.

It was still all about Wolverine and thus was not truly an X-Men movie, more like Wolverine 3. I don't mind the character, but there is no I in team. I'm also fed up with his popularity though.

Now, I really liked seeing Kelsey Gramer as the Beast, though.
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Old November 4 2011, 11:02 PM   #24
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My big things I don't like is:

They set up the Phoenix storyline

But all we get is the Phoenix standing around next to Magneto. I wanted to see the Shi'ar and the fight on the moon! I wanted to see the Phoenixeat some suns and destroy some planets! What a wasted opportunity.
They wouldn't have done that even if Singer and his team had stuck around for X3 instead of jumping ship for Superman.
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Old November 4 2011, 11:17 PM   #25
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

Give it twenty more minutes and fill them with character moments involving Peter, Kitty and Hank (though not necessarily all at once) and you might have a very good movie; maybe not as good as the other two, but decent on its own terms. Oh, and short-shrifting Scott wasn't the best idea either. That was another character who wasn't given enough attention in the series, IMO.
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Old November 4 2011, 11:28 PM   #26
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Boy, I'd love to make a few million dollars doing nothing but looking good.

Me too, but the first thing you have to do is, you know, qualify...
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Old November 4 2011, 11:30 PM   #27
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I thought it was pretty bad to begin with, but when they decided to kill off Cyclops and Picard I just thought "Oh no, two of the biggest main characters are bailing. There goes the franchise."

Xavier had a good enough death scene, I guess, and the possibility of return; but Cyclops really got screwed.
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Old November 5 2011, 03:51 AM   #28
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As for the "Governments are okay with mutants" stuff, they had been given the proof that it was all the fault of a lunatic racist human scientist.

With Stryker and Weapon X out of the way, pro-mutant folks in the government had an easier time pushing their agenda
I agree, and this is a pretty obvious answer. A new president also seems like a pretty silly complaint - do we have any idea how much time has passed between X2/X3 from the opening? Not so long that Colossus, Kitty, and Bobby aren't still students, but probably easily long enough for a new (and more mutant-friendly) administration.
Even if you buy that, and I don't, it's still a massive tension-killer, and an entirely boneheaded way to start what they had to have guessed could very well be the third part of a trilogy.
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Old November 5 2011, 04:45 AM   #29
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Re: Eight reasons why X3 is an eternal crime against Geekdom

I enjoyed all of the X-Men films released so far, but the 3rd film was nowhere as not rewatchable as Origins. Now, that stunk and isn't worth going back to for seconds.
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