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Old October 30 2011, 05:19 PM   #16
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Re: Comparing the regular Borg to Lore's Rogue Borg

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The Borg are the nearest thing to the horror creatures in Trek...
Nearer than the Remans? I don't think so.
Nearer than Species 8472?
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Old October 30 2011, 09:44 PM   #17
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They are pretty agile when in close proximity of a hostile target, just check out the intial battle in FC! I suppose that rushing into a conflict is inefficient and since the Borg are arrogant enough to assume that assimilation is inevitable, they see no reason to waste energy until they are in range of their target.
Its also more efficient to deal with intruders before they cause problems. If intruders are allowed to walk around a Borg cube until they start blowing stuff up, that is very inefficient. Is always more efficient to deal with small problems before they become bigger problems. If intruders are allowed to blow things up before someone tries to stop them, then even if the intruders are defeated, drones will have to spend time repairing the damage they did.

It be more logical if the collective issued a directive, that any non Borg found on a Borg should be assimilated or at least subdued right away, rather then just ignoring them.
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Old October 30 2011, 10:56 PM   #18
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Re: Comparing the regular Borg to Lore's Rogue Borg

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The Borg are the nearest thing to the horror creatures in Trek...
Nearer than the Remans? I don't think so.
Nearer than Species 8472?
I'd call Species 8472 firmly science fiction aliens. The Remans just look like low-budget vampires from some straight-to-video Nosferatu flick.
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Old October 30 2011, 11:26 PM   #19
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Re: Comparing the regular Borg to Lore's Rogue Borg

Straight-to-video monsters....figured why Ron Perlman was one of them.
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Old October 31 2011, 06:27 AM   #20
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The Borg are the nearest thing to the horror creatures in Trek...
Nearer than the Remans? I don't think so.
Nearer than Species 8472?
Nearer than Keiko?
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Old October 31 2011, 07:17 AM   #21
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I always figured that Lore manipulated them into being his own personal army in return for freeing them from the Collective and returning them to their former lives.

Remember he was conducting medical experiments on them? Probably to find a way to overcome that node-in-the-head problem Seven faced in Imperfection.
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Old October 31 2011, 02:23 PM   #22
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I'm trying to think of the collective as one "whole being" and my only explanation for this is that loosing just one drone is akin to us shedding a few dead cells.
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Old October 31 2011, 09:00 PM   #23
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I always figured that Lore manipulated them into being his own personal army in return for freeing them from the Collective and returning them to their former lives.
The rogue Borg did it in return for New Coke. The Borg will do anything for that shit.
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Old October 31 2011, 10:02 PM   #24
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None of the "Descent" Borg were meant to be assimilated individuals, they were all supposed to be Borg that were Borg from infancy. They were meant to be the adult form of those baby Borg we saw in "Q Who?", ones who were never individuals in the first place.

That's why none of them regained their former individuality and why they were so susceptible to Hugh's individuality in the first place.

Lore promised he would make them all 100% robotic beings in exchange for their loyalty, of course he didn't know how to do it. That was why the Borg he experimented on were just deformed cripples.
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Old November 1 2011, 12:13 AM   #25
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None of the "Descent" Borg were meant to be assimilated individuals, they were all supposed to be Borg that were Borg from infancy. They were meant to be the adult form of those baby Borg we saw in "Q Who?", ones who were never individuals in the first place.

That's why none of them regained their former individuality and why they were so susceptible to Hugh's individuality in the first place.

Lore promised he would make them all 100% robotic beings in exchange for their loyalty, of course he didn't know how to do it. That was why the Borg he experimented on were just deformed cripples.
Source for this?
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Old November 1 2011, 12:15 AM   #26
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Source for this?
Tartar or hollandaise?
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Old November 1 2011, 03:25 AM   #27
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lol, source, not sauce.
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Old November 1 2011, 04:00 AM   #28
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None of the "Descent" Borg were meant to be assimilated individuals, they were all supposed to be Borg that were Borg from infancy. They were meant to be the adult form of those baby Borg we saw in "Q Who?", ones who were never individuals in the first place.

That's why none of them regained their former individuality and why they were so susceptible to Hugh's individuality in the first place.

Lore promised he would make them all 100% robotic beings in exchange for their loyalty, of course he didn't know how to do it. That was why the Borg he experimented on were just deformed cripples.
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It's the only thing that makes sense given what we know about the Borg. Otherwise they all would've regained their individuality once they were cut off from the Collective (and they WERE cut off) just like Picard and the Borg from "Unity".
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Old November 1 2011, 06:54 AM   #29
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None of the "Descent" Borg were meant to be assimilated individuals, they were all supposed to be Borg that were Borg from infancy. They were meant to be the adult form of those baby Borg we saw in "Q Who?", ones who were never individuals in the first place.

That's why none of them regained their former individuality and why they were so susceptible to Hugh's individuality in the first place.

Lore promised he would make them all 100% robotic beings in exchange for their loyalty, of course he didn't know how to do it. That was why the Borg he experimented on were just deformed cripples.
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It's the only thing that makes sense given what we know about the Borg. Otherwise they all would've regained their individuality once they were cut off from the Collective (and they WERE cut off) just like Picard and the Borg from "Unity".
Speculation. Got it.
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Old November 1 2011, 04:16 PM   #30
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And it explains the Baby Borg in "Q Who?" despite there being plenty of assimilated Borg as well. Two types of Borg, and apparently it's the "Pure" Borg who are more easily dealt with since one individual is all it takes to screw them up while that would never happen to assimilated Borg.
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