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Old October 20 2011, 03:41 PM   #1561
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These guys are entertaining the Hell out of me with stuff like Justice League and Supergirl, far more so than I expect from DC. Some of it reminds me of BTVS, a tv show I loved. Annoying, GL is the one real disappointment. Maybe Johns is putting his focus on JL and that fish guy.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:01 PM   #1562
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The thing about Hal in Justice League is that Johns seems to be writing him more annoying than usual. He wasn't this naive or stupid in "Secret Origin" which was the most recently thing in the previous continuity that touched on young Hal. It would also appear that GL and Flash don't know how to keep each other's identities a secret from anyone using first names on a cell phone call during a battle. Real smart Hal.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:10 PM   #1563
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These guys are entertaining the Hell out of me with stuff like Justice League and Supergirl, far more so than I expect from DC. Some of it reminds me of BTVS, a tv show I loved. Annoying, GL is the one real disappointment. Maybe Johns is putting his focus on JL and that fish guy.
He is being stretched too thin. His job as creative officer is taking up most of his time. Writing 4 comics is apparently what he does on weekends and it really shows. The decline in quality between his current material and work on JSA, Titans and early Green Lantern is enormous.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:11 PM   #1564
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^ Mentioned that in my earlier post.
Sorry! Didn't flip to the next page.

Some books depicted him as being a little older, I think in the Supergirl crossover in particular (the first one) don't remember if an age was given. I like to think of him as 12 right now but he's probably still ten.
I like to think of him as ten, just because of his relationship with Stephanie in Batgirl, where she tries many times to get him to be a kid. That makes sense to me for ten. That doesn't make sense to me for twelve.
That was an awful comic and completely misunderstood what the character is or about.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:16 PM   #1565
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^ Which Damian or Steph? If you're referring to Damian I disagree. Bryan Q. Miller was trying to get Damian to try and be like a kid and relax a little. I don't think that is a misunderstanding of the character at all. It's evolving him.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:21 PM   #1566
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The thing about Hal in Justice League is that Johns seems to be writing him more annoying than usual. He wasn't this naive or stupid in "Secret Origin" which was the most recently thing in the previous continuity that touched on young Hal. It would also appear that GL and Flash don't know how to keep each other's identities a secret from anyone using first names on a cell phone call during a battle. Real smart Hal.
It's highly likely that JLA GL is supposed to be "Ryan Reynolds" to tie in with what WB/DC thought was going to be a hit movie.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:21 PM   #1567
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Plus, I thought that trying to get Damian to embrace fun was a very Stephanie thing to do. Bruce himself pointed out that Steph was the hopeful member of the Bat-family. She naturally would be the kind of person to want to try and get through Damien's shell.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:37 PM   #1568
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The new Justice League was a huge improvement over the first issue, and just a heckuva lot of fun. Loved seeing Flash mess with Supes like that, and of course the art was spectacular.

And the twist of having Supergirl actually be Superman's older cousin was pretty cool as well, and adds a whole new dynamic to their relationship that I hope gets explored further.

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These guys are entertaining the Hell out of me with stuff like Justice League and Supergirl, far more so than I expect from DC. Some of it reminds me of BTVS, a tv show I loved. Annoying, GL is the one real disappointment. Maybe Johns is putting his focus on JL and that fish guy.
Yeah, as someone who's only recently gotten into GL, I was really hoping to get into the new books. But they just aren't starting from a fresh enough place for my taste.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:39 PM   #1569
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@Allyn Gibson Agreed. I kind of looked at her as being the sarcastic older sister who isn't afraid to put Damian in his place. I have enjoyed most of the little snot's interactions with the greater DCU and hope there are more to come. I still think it is time we had another ongoing "Robin" solo. Perhaps after Grant is finished his run they will do this...or they are waiting for the right writer to come along.
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Old October 20 2011, 04:43 PM   #1570
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It's highly likely that JLA GL is supposed to be "Ryan Reynolds" to tie in with what WB/DC thought was going to be a hit movie.
That's the impression I get as well, unfortunately what sounds cool and charming coming from Reynolds just seems obnoxious and annoying on the page.

Maybe if they drew him to look more like Reynolds, that might help sell it better...
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Old October 20 2011, 04:49 PM   #1571
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^ Agreed. I am starting to think that Geoff has indeed been with the character far too long and needs to hand Hal off to someone else now. Someone fresh and competent as a writer too. His work will be definitive for some like myself who weren't Hal fans and maybe were only familiar with Kyle and John like I was but I feel like "Green Lantern" is starting to stagnate with Geoff continuing on with the book.

One further observation about Justice League #2...as much as I like the Vic Stone sub-story in the book...I can't help but feel like it would be better served as a back up story instead of a sub arc. It reads like it should be a back up story. I know that they're elevating Vic to A-list status and he will be on the main team but I dunno it takes away from the main story of the big players introducing themselves to me.
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Old October 20 2011, 05:12 PM   #1572
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I like Hal in JL and I like the way he and Barry relate. I also like that they didn't present this as a first meeting between them - an advantage of the relaunch as opposed to reboot.


All these guys come across as individuals here...kind of like people or something.
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Old October 20 2011, 05:13 PM   #1573
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Yeah I would have been fine if his Cyborg persona had already been established, but the way they're trying to shoehorn in his origin story just feels distracting.

And they still have to squeeze Wonder Woman and Aquaman into this thing, so I'm feeling like there's already MORE than enough characters to follow. At least at this early stage.
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Old October 20 2011, 05:26 PM   #1574
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My guess from the way things have been depicted so far is that they will encounter each other while investigating the boxes (which I'm guessing could be micro boob tubes or tesseracts of somekind) while ruffling each others feathers along the way while learning to work together to solve the crisis at hand. Then after they are together they decide they can work together and form the Justice League. I'm guessing they nominate Superman as their leader and Bruce will give his "Gotham gets my priority but alert me if there is something actually seriously you need my help with and maybe I'll aide you guys" speech. Then the second arc flash forwards to the present and we see how the roster has expanded, etc.
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My guess from the way things have been depicted so far is that they will encounter each other while investigating the boxes (which I'm guessing could be micro boob tubes or tesseracts of somekind) while ruffling each others feathers along the way while learning to work together to solve the crisis at hand. Then after they are together they decide they can work together and form the Justice League. I'm guessing they nominate Superman as their leader and Bruce will give his "Gotham gets my priority but alert me if there is something actually seriously you need my help with and maybe I'll aide you guys" speech. Then the second arc flash forwards to the present and we see how the roster has expanded, etc.
The boxes are Mother Boxes ( as seen in the New Gods) and they do open boomtubes. The ones seen look more like the version used by the Forever People than the cell phone size ones used by others from New Genesis.
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