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Old October 17 2011, 06:00 PM   #31
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Re: Phase II Celebrates 7th Anniversary With Release of "Lost Vignette

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It does stretch the suspension of disbelief a tad. It would've helped if Cawley had at least tried to disguise his voice a bit.
Well, this was shot at the same time as "To Serve All My Days"--with the intent that it would be released before that episode. So, Kirk really didn't need to disguise his voice: Kargh and Kirk and never met. *We* might recognize Kirk/Cawley because we've seen him so much; at that time, Kargh never had.
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Old October 18 2011, 06:17 PM   #32
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Minor aside/query: Has Kargh been featured in every NV/P2 production so far?
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Old October 18 2011, 06:39 PM   #33
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It does stretch the suspension of disbelief a tad. It would've helped if Cawley had at least tried to disguise his voice a bit.
Well, this was shot at the same time as "To Serve All My Days"--with the intent that it would be released before that episode. So, Kirk really didn't need to disguise his voice: Kargh and Kirk and never met. *We* might recognize Kirk/Cawley because we've seen him so much; at that time, Kargh never had.
That intent falls apart when you consider that Kirk is featured in Kargh's simulator test. While Kargh and Kirk had never met face-to-face, the former was, at least, familiar with the latter in some fashion. That is unless the Kargh's "Test of Victories" was a tall-tale and didn't really happen, but that would render the vignette rather pointless then.

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Minor aside/query: Has Kargh been featured in every NV/P2 production so far?
Kargh has been in the following so far:

"In Harm's Way"
"To Serve All My Days"
"No Win Scenario" (short)
"Blood and Fire, part 2"

And will be in the yet-to-be released:
"Kitumba"
"Mind-Sifter"
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Old October 18 2011, 06:54 PM   #34
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Re: Phase II Celebrates 7th Anniversary With Release of "Lost Vignette

Thanks for the breakdown... I couldn't remember if he had been in "Blood and Fire, Part 1" or not.

Going back to the "Test of Victories" -- (and yes, this is entirely in the "I'm thinking about it too much" arena) -- it also puts a bit of a focus on continuity as well -- if Kargh is one of the empire's greatest strategists, and if we are to believe that he's been a starship commander for a while, how is it that the Klingon training exercise Kargh takes when he's still (basically) a plebe, features Kirk in command of the Enterprise?

Are we to believe that within the past five years Kargh has become as well-known in the Empire as Koloth, Kang and Kor?

An easy fix would be to just replace the viewscreen convo with Kirk with same but featuring Pike, or maybe some innocuous Starfleet type. But then that would suppose that the Klingons even have a test like this, a blatant knockoff of the Kobayashi Maru. Would they?
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Old October 18 2011, 08:54 PM   #35
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It's not that much of a stretch to believe any fricking thing about parallels between the Federation, Klingons and god knows what all in Star Trek. The future is a monoculture.
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Old October 18 2011, 10:05 PM   #36
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Re: Phase II Celebrates 7th Anniversary With Release of "Lost Vignette

To keep all these important questions in perspective, it helps to read many of the posts in this thread in the voice of Hank Azaria’s “Comic Book Guy” from The Simpsons.

To get the complete picture, Kargh does not appear in the following episodes:

"Come What May"
"Center Seat" (vignette)
"World Enough and Time"
"Blood and Fire, Part 1"
"Enemy: Starfleet!"
"The Child"
"The Protracted Man"
"Change of Command" (vignette)
“Bread and Savagery”

Kargh does appear in the following episodes:

"In Harm's Way"
"To Serve All My Days"
"No Win Scenario" (vignette)
"Blood and Fire, Part 2"
"Kitumba"
"Mind-Sifter"

Kirk's image appears to Kargh on a grainy viewscreen while his "ship" is under (simulated) attack in the Test of Victors; Kargh sees this unnamed starship captain for a total of about thirty seconds and hears him utter twenty-four words. If, years later, this same guy shows up in disguise wearing a hood in the dark of night over a campfire, I don't think it's that big of a surprise that Kargh doesn't recognize him or his voice.

Regarding having Kirk commanding the Enterprise in a simulation that (probably) took place years ago, I’ll put on my Co-Executive Producer’s hat. It’s not really an “easy fix” to re-dress the bridge into a Pike-era bridge and shoot footage of Captain Pike doing all this rigmarole. In fact, it wasn’t easy to get James Cawley as Kirk to do this scene. In fact, we couldn’t. So the viewscreen footage is simply footage shot for (and lifted from) “Blood and Fire.” (If we wanted to have Pike in this onscreen footage, we’d still be waiting for the release of this vignette.)

Or maybe Kargh actually took his Test of Victors not all that long ago. Perhaps he’s a “Boy Wonder, promoted to Captain right out of the Academy” kind-of-guy, like J.J. Abrams’ Alternate Universe Kirk is. Also, we actually don’t know how well-known Kargh is in the universe in relation to Kang, Kor and Koloth. We only know how well-known Kargh thinks he is going to become.
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Old October 19 2011, 08:06 AM   #37
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Rule No. 1: Klingons lie.
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