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Old October 17 2011, 02:38 AM   #1456
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Maybe she'll make "Green Arrow" better because it was pretty boring to me. J.T. Krul had a pretty decent run on "Teen Titans" prior to the relaunch but I don't think that he was the right writer for Green Arrow.
Honestly I miss Krul writing TT.

I just don't like the radical redesigns Lobdell has done with Wonder Girl and Kidflash.

Frankly I think DC should have divided up the characters. They should have put Starfire/Red Arrow/Raven and all the other traditional titans characters in the TT book.

They should have put Superboy/Red Robin/Kid Flash/Wondergirl and all the other 90s and 00s characters in the YJ book to tie in with the cartoon.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:48 AM   #1457
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There's already a Young Justice book that ties in with the cartoon though.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:56 AM   #1458
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I'm talking about a Young Justice book in the NuDCU that doesn't share continuity with the cartoon.
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Old October 17 2011, 03:04 AM   #1459
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I would agree that I don't like Cassie's redesign or really her character from what little we've seen of her so far.
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Old October 17 2011, 05:02 AM   #1460
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Well she might go "political". Bring back the lefty GA from the O'Neil-Adams run or the somewhat reactionary GA from Grell's run.
I would just hope for the van dyke to return...
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Old October 17 2011, 05:50 AM   #1461
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New 52 art designs that Jim Lee revealed. I kind of like that one Superboy one over the costume they settled on.

EDIT: Forgot to post the link sorry:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...e-and-friends/
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Old October 17 2011, 07:18 AM   #1462
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Maybe she'll make "Green Arrow" better because it was pretty boring to me. J.T. Krul had a pretty decent run on "Teen Titans" prior to the relaunch but I don't think that he was the right writer for Green Arrow.
Honestly I miss Krul writing TT.

I just don't like the radical redesigns Lobdell has done with Wonder Girl and Kidflash.

Frankly I think DC should have divided up the characters. They should have put Starfire/Red Arrow/Raven and all the other traditional titans characters in the TT book.

They should have put Superboy/Red Robin/Kid Flash/Wondergirl and all the other 90s and 00s characters in the YJ book to tie in with the cartoon.
Agreed. It just feels super 90s. Seeing as both Brett Booth and Scott Lobdell were creators of the 90s, that makes sense. That's the general feeling of the DCnU to me. While there's a lot of quality out there, it just doesn't feel as modern as it should with Jurgens, Giffen, Lobdell, ect. all heading up multiple books. It's not that old creators are bad. Grant Morrison got his start at roughly the same time, but his style has changed with the times and remained relevant. Giffen, Jurgens and Lobdell all feel like throwbacks.
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Old October 17 2011, 07:30 AM   #1463
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I absolutely agree with you about the problem of the NuDCU. Aside from Snyder they are not taking a gamble and using their new talent on their top books. Instead they are going with the proven talent whose writing has gone stale (Levitz/Jurgens) or was never good in the first place (Daniel).

I frankly don't Giffen. He did pretty well on Doom Patrol. It's Jurgens and Lobdell that I primarily have problems with. Jurgens because he is honestly not a very good writer seeing how stale his Booster Gold and Vanishing Point was. And Lobdell only works in small doses. Handing him the entire Titans-YJ portion of the DCU was a mistake especially given the fiasco with Starfire.
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Old October 17 2011, 10:17 AM   #1464
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Yeah, I feel it's a little unfair to lump the master craftsman in with the assembly line workers, even if they are the same age.

At the same time, I really feel that I'm being unfair for saying that about the man who wrote and drew Superman #75. I dunno if I could really defend Jurgens' oeuvre as a whole (the inferior Booster Gold-type product peddled by his purported creator is seriously depressing), but at the least, that's a case of an artist exceeding his limitations and doing something for the history books. Not just because of content, but because it's the single best-executed issue of Superman ever. Take that, Alan Moore. Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is simply not as good.*

*Actually, on that note, its depiction of Superman as a moral coward who decides to make two people miserable because he can't bear to "hurt" either, apparently completely oblivious to the fact he's hurting them presently and in an ongoing way... well, while it's effective, it's sort of weird, a completely post hoc explanation for why Superman was a dick all those years, trying to convince the reader that he didn't get off to the idea of two women fighting for and pining over him, and it doesn't totally work. Especially when he lets Lana die (you cannot tell me dude was not aware of what was going on; if Lana can hear him, he could hear her--and are you telling me that under siege conditions, he was not checking on everyone in his care at regular intervals?!). But, that's creative problem solving, right? Got rid of that pesky Olsen too. What an asshole.

This has nothing to do with anything, it's just I reread it recently and that's what jumped out at me. You know what does totally work? An all-splash issue that concludes with Superman dying in Lois' arms and does not make you ask "Why was Superman moping when Lightning Lord burned Lana Lang to death and Brainiac put a fist-sized laser hole through Jimmy's elastic torso?"
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Old October 17 2011, 12:40 PM   #1465
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I'm just excited that we are getting a Gary Frank designed Captain Marvel.
He'll look just like the normal Captain Marvel... but with wrinkles.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:41 PM   #1466
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Mary Marvel will that 'crack whore' pinched face look that all of Frank's women do.
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Old October 17 2011, 12:42 PM   #1467
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Gary Frank? Billy Batson? You do not yet know the face of terror.
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Old October 17 2011, 01:11 PM   #1468
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I'd rather see Gary's Uncle Marvel.

It's hilarious watching Dudly's greying hairy paunch creep out from under that cumberbumd sash as he tries to save the day.
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Old October 17 2011, 02:24 PM   #1469
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Green Lantern #2 is a B-, Superboy #2 a C+.
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Old October 17 2011, 04:34 PM   #1470
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Saw some preview pages for Birds of Prey 2. Okay, the deal is Katana actually seems kind of great. And the aesthetic of her costume is pretty decent; even if it makes little sense in her context, it reminds me of Rai, and Rai was awesome. (Rai, however, had a reason to have a Japanese flag stapled to him, since he was a patriotic her, not a crazy lady who talks to her sword.)
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