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Old October 11 2011, 02:23 PM   #481
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@Tallguy - Awesome. I was there on Oct 6 (a thursday too!) Thanks for the picasa link. I need to post up the rest of the photos I took now
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Old October 11 2011, 03:53 PM   #482
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Allright, so I'm a geek. That gives me goose flesh!
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Old October 12 2011, 09:41 PM   #483
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You state-siders aren't 'arf making me envious! Still happy this side of the pond, though
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Old October 12 2011, 09:54 PM   #484
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I dunno. Where is all of the Space: 1999 stuff kept?
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Old October 14 2011, 02:53 PM   #485
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Rest of my photos of the Enterprise at the Smithsonian
http://chungphotos.smugmug.com/Hobbi...9530203_XsvPN3
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Old October 14 2011, 03:43 PM   #486
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I'm impressed that you got higher above the saucer than I did. I didn't even notice the stand. Of course I also only noticed that the top of the case is a MIRROR at the last moment, too. I was a little rushed.
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Old October 14 2011, 09:59 PM   #487
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Great photos, Blssdwlf
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Old October 15 2011, 11:55 AM   #488
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@Tallguy - I fired blind to get the higher shots because I'm not that tall Yeah, I was rushed as well because I was traveling with co-workers.

@Mytran - Thanks!

One nice thing about shooting my own photos is that I know what camera settings I used and can then do some camera matching to check my 3D model's accuracy (accounting for changes in the Smithsonian version vs filmed versions.)

Speaking of, does it look like there are 2 decks of windows in the tear drop structure that is under the bridge dome? (Visible in Tallguy's photo close-up from the ship's right side.)
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Old October 16 2011, 05:37 PM   #489
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And a tangent regarding TOS Enterprise orbits. Using Tallguy's excellent TOS FX Reference page a re-creation of the WNM Orbit Towards shot.

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Old October 20 2011, 03:48 AM   #490
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blssdwlf wrote: View Post
Pulled out a rough mock-up of what the end nacelles might look like when "transforming" between flat and sphere ends. The "raised panel" would be the middle section of the flat end extending/retracting. The grill pattern would be panels that could slide in (slightly) and change color/recede into shadow.

Although some good work has gone into these, I think it is unnecessary to to explain oddities such as these as they were not intended. The only reason we see such things is purely because of budgetary reasons. TOS:R made no such attempts to explain these so why should we? The different nacelle endcaps we see are from two different models in three different configurations.

The caps with the clips on them are from a 3 foot study model build for The Cage: this model was not intended to be filmed but because of monetary and time saving reasons it was used in the first pilot. It is interesting to note here that the large 11 foot model was only used in ONE shot during this episode; the opening establishing shot, and at this time the end caps on that model were completely smooth with no clip detail at all, again due to time and money constraints.
I don't see any need for an in-universe explanation.

The endcaps with the holes in them are from Where No Man Has Gone Before and the reason we see these in the series are, again, for budgetary reasons... Footage of the 11 foot model taken during the filming of WNMHGB in 1965 was taken and used as stock footage for the three seasons of the show form '66-'69 to save money on filming more of the same shots, nothing more. At the time such small differences were supposed to go un-noticed. Who would have guessed that years later now, fans of the show would be picking at every detail.

It's a lot of fun as we all know, but trying to explain things like this makes the Trek universe less credible and more un-believeable IMHO.

Again, some truely awesome work here!

BTW, I noticed that the forced perspective engineering set has been taken a little literally; it's not supposed to actually be distorted to a point like that.
In fact I was sure that those pipes go directly up through the warp engine pylons to feed the nacelles directly! This idea would also support an engine roon in the engineering hull!

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Old October 20 2011, 05:54 AM   #491
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Don't worry, Balok's Head, all of these points you brought up were discussed quite thoroughly up-thread. I realize it's a lengthy thread so you can be forgiven for having not read the whole thing.

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Old October 20 2011, 10:11 AM   #492
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@Balok's Head - As Albertese points out, we've discussed these points pretty much up-thread. Short answer is, "what would the Thermians do?"

There are plenty of other TOS Enterprise build-up threads that might be more up to your tastes like havoc92's variation of FJ's blueprints or the various other MJ or personally-inspired ships. This version is the original TOS FX version
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Old October 20 2011, 10:28 AM   #493
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Ah cool cheers for the replies guys, yeah I guess it's kind of old stuff I'm bringing up and I've done my best to look through all pages, though I did miss a bunch of replies, still though some FANTASTIC work and speculation going on here.

Someone did a really cool black and white render of the bridge set, displayed in the actual dome but for the life of my I can't find it again...

EDIT: found it, it was on another thread. lol

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Old October 20 2011, 03:34 PM   #494
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And a tangent regarding TOS Enterprise orbits. Using Tallguy's excellent TOS FX Reference page a re-creation of the WNM Orbit Towards shot.

Anyone else find it sadly ironic that the "dumbest" Trek series had accurately depicted how a starship in orbit would look?
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Old October 20 2011, 09:37 PM   #495
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I'm glad "dumbest" was in quotes. All the shows had their dumb moments, but over all, Star Trek hardly is beneath it's successors.

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