DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) - Page 93

Broccoli · October 10 2011, 08:23 PM

Myasishchev wrote:

Team Broccoli wrote:

^ More likely, in addition to Babs being the most known Batgirl due to the Adam West show ingrained into pop culture, that TPTB love themselves some Silver Age and wanted Babs back as Batgirl.

No, that part I get, but I mean with Batgirl they decided they needed Batgirl to be Babs exclusively (as far as I can tell), whereas with the Robins and Lanterns they didn't care.

I think, with Batman, a lot had to do with the fact that Morrison's overarching story wasn't completed. Given that Morrison is a heavy in the industry and his Bat-Story has proven popular, DC really couldn't do a Bat-Restart. Had Morrison's story been concluded, I suspect there would have been a complete retooling of Batman.

That said, Batgirl never really played into that storyline. As such, they could reset her to however they wanted w/o impacting anything Morrison wrote in any major way.

As for the Lanterns, Geoff Johns and Co. got to do what they wanted 5 years ago. There was no reason to change it now since they have that series where they want it.

Hound of UIster · October 10 2011, 09:33 PM

Myasishchev wrote:

Yes, it may work, because Azz is smart, but it's a bad idea generally.

No.

The important aspect of her origin is her as an ambassador from an island of Amazons. Whether she had no father, one or a dozen really isn't as important.

Otherwise in her comic&cartoon iterations she has had a full set of parents, in the comics it was a nameless caveman and in the cartoon it was Hades.

Nerys Myk · October 11 2011, 12:43 AM

Wonder Woman

JoeZhang · October 11 2011, 03:08 PM

Sales numbers for those who are interested:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...marvels-sales/

Admiral Buzzkill · October 11 2011, 03:48 PM

The "rising tide" aphorism is apt, here. Still, Marvel can't be happy about having, what, two titles in the top twenty last month?

Myasishchev · October 11 2011, 05:56 PM

Well, Batwoman makes me happy, although I think I'd have been more pleased if Animal Man was higher. Flash is just about right, only three places down from where it should be.

Hartzilla2007 · October 12 2011, 11:47 PM

Damnit for some reason Batman and Robin # 2 won't download to my iPad. Is anyone else having this problem?

Hound of UIster · October 12 2011, 11:55 PM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

The "rising tide" aphorism is apt, here. Still, Marvel can't be happy about having, what, two titles in the top twenty last month?

The last time DC took the Top 20 was during BN and Marvel offered a special incentive Deadcool cover for ripped up returned covers of Blackest Night. They did the same thing for the DC reboot except I don't think they got many takers this time.

Nerys Myk · October 13 2011, 12:10 AM

The couldn't make me take a Deadpool as toilet paper even if I had the runs.

Captain Craig · October 13 2011, 01:05 AM

I'd take a Howard the Duck or Devil Dinosaur book before a Deadpool book...and those are way down my list as well.

Nerys Myk · October 13 2011, 01:29 AM

Gerber/Colan Howard is classic!

Hound of UIster · October 13 2011, 01:36 AM

Captain Craig wrote:

I'd take a Howard the Duck or Devil Dinosaur book before a Deadpool book...and those are way down my list as well.

It was actually a special Deadpool cover for Siege. There was no actual Deadpool in the book.

Admiral_Young · October 13 2011, 03:02 AM

Batgirl: Is it just me or does this feel extremely underwhelming so far? I still think that Gail Simone is the right writer for this book but I don't agree with how she has decided (Or DC) to reintroduce Barbara. I understand that Babs would have some doubts about being back in the field. I also think it lame dragging it out about how she got her legs back.

Superboy: I'm conflicted about this. Mostly because the story seems weird too me, I'll admit that I'm not really liking the changes to Superboy. Perhaps as we progress things will become clearer with that regards. "Red" continues to be the most fascinating character within Project NoWhere. It would seem like she's one of an extremely few people within the organization that has any kind of ethics at all. Other than her, I'm pretty bored by this. The art is good though.

Hound of UIster · October 13 2011, 03:16 AM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Batgirl: Is it just me or does this feel extremely underwhelming so far? I still think that Gail Simone is the right writer for this book but I don't agree with how she has decided (Or DC) to reintroduce Barbara. I understand that Babs would have some doubts about being back in the field. I also think it lame dragging it out about how she got her legs back.

I'm convinced Simone hates the reboot and is trying to sink her career at DC and her books with some kind of Alan Moore passive-aggressive act. Because there is no way a writer of Simone's caliber can churn out something as badly written as #2 unless it was deliberate. The same goes for the abomination that is Firestorm.

Maybe she is the one jumping over to Marvel soon. Won't really miss her after this and the abortion of the last BoP book.

Frankenstein (5 stars) - This was probably the most improved of this week's #2s. I think Lemire is fast becoming the next Grant Morrison. It's a tragedy that he isn't writing Superman instead of Giffen because he has really demonstrated he can handle crazy high concepts like GM.

Batwoman (3 stars) - I think the interesting parts are the relationship between Maggie and Kate and the stuff with Cameron Chase. I have absolutely no interest in the Scooby-type mystery.

Superboy (3 Stars) - Fun book. Didn't realize that Rose was Rose Wilson aka Ravager.

SHIELD (0 Stars) - Literally just 22 pages of explosions and a few lines of dialogue. Extremely disappointing.

Turtletrekker · October 13 2011, 03:20 AM

Hound of UIster wrote:

I'm convinced Simone hates the reboot and is trying to sink her career at DC and her books with some kind of Alan Moore passive-aggressive act. Because there is no way a writer of Simone's caliber can churn out something as badly written as #2 unless it was deliberate. The same goes for the abomination that is Firestorm.

Interestingly, it would appear that Simone has walked away from Fury of Firestorm.

October 11 2011, 12:43 AM	#1383
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Wonder Woman She's been a demi-goddess before. Her grandfather was Ares/Mars in the Bronze Age and I think Byrne brought that back in his run __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

October 11 2011, 03:08 PM	#1384
JoeZhang Rear Admiral	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Sales numbers for those who are interested: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/...marvels-sales/

October 11 2011, 03:48 PM	#1385
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) The "rising tide" aphorism is apt, here. Still, Marvel can't be happy about having, what, two titles in the top twenty last month? __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing. Last edited by Admiral Buzzkill; October 11 2011 at 06:00 PM.

October 11 2011, 05:56 PM	#1386
Myasishchev Rear Admiral Location: America after the rain	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Well, Batwoman makes me happy, although I think I'd have been more pleased if Animal Man was higher. Flash is just about right, only three places down from where it should be. __________________

October 12 2011, 11:47 PM	#1387
Hartzilla2007 Vice Admiral Location: Star Trekkin Across the universe.	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Damnit for some reason Batman and Robin # 2 won't download to my iPad. Is anyone else having this problem?

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October 13 2011, 12:10 AM	#1389
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) The couldn't make me take a Deadpool as toilet paper even if I had the runs. __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

October 13 2011, 01:05 AM	#1390
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) I'd take a Howard the Duck or Devil Dinosaur book before a Deadpool book...and those are way down my list as well. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

October 13 2011, 01:29 AM	#1391
Nerys Myk Admiral Location: House of Kang, now with ridges	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Gerber/Colan Howard is classic! __________________ Nerys Myk's Midnight In Never Land A novel of Dark Fantasy @ Amazon.com

October 13 2011, 03:02 AM	#1393
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely) Batgirl: Is it just me or does this feel extremely underwhelming so far? I still think that Gail Simone is the right writer for this book but I don't agree with how she has decided (Or DC) to reintroduce Barbara. I understand that Babs would have some doubts about being back in the field. I also think it lame dragging it out about how she got her legs back. Superboy: I'm conflicted about this. Mostly because the story seems weird too me, I'll admit that I'm not really liking the changes to Superboy. Perhaps as we progress things will become clearer with that regards. "Red" continues to be the most fascinating character within Project NoWhere. It would seem like she's one of an extremely few people within the organization that has any kind of ethics at all. Other than her, I'm pretty bored by this. The art is good though. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.