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Old September 22 2011, 12:47 AM   #91
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

I thought we're talking about ST and this is ST forum? Who's else is there to talk about?? [chuckle]
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Old September 22 2011, 04:06 PM   #92
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Oh, I don't know. Portraying Janeway as possibly being psychologically "uneven" makes the character interesting.
Captain Ahab was interesting, doesn't make him a good captain.
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Old October 8 2011, 08:33 PM   #93
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Captain Kevin Thomas RIley, from TOS episode "The Naked Time", but it wasn't really his fault that he was acting strange because he was infected with the alien virus. Too bad, because his idea about a bowling alley on the Enterprise was pretty novel.
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Old October 9 2011, 06:27 AM   #94
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Well, If you don't mind literature being open range then my vote is for Captain William T Riker. He made a hell of an XO but in the Titan series, a poor CO.
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Old October 10 2011, 01:41 AM   #95
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Personally I stand firm with Commander Riker and his assessment of Jellico ...

You are arrogant and closed-minded. You need to control everything and everyone. You don't provide an atmosphere of trust, and you don't inspire these people to go out of their way for you. You've get everybody wound up so tight there's no joy in anything. I don't think you're a particularly good Captain.
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Old October 10 2011, 06:19 AM   #96
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^ I'm glad you quoted that. I think Riker pretty much summed up Jellico to a "T". He may have been effective dealing with the Cardassians, but this other crucial aspect is a big issue... I'd never want to be in his chain of command.
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Old October 10 2011, 08:29 AM   #97
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I thought Riker was a jackass in that episode. Jellico rules.
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Old October 10 2011, 02:04 PM   #98
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Thing about Jellico is, he's realistic. A captain can't be everyone's friend, and in the end results are the only thing that really matters.
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Old October 10 2011, 03:04 PM   #99
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Personally I stand firm with Commander Riker and his assessment of Jellico ...

You are arrogant and closed-minded. You need to control everything and everyone. You don't provide an atmosphere of trust, and you don't inspire these people to go out of their way for you. You've get everybody wound up so tight there's no joy in anything. I don't think you're a particularly good Captain.
In that episode Jellico solved the cardassian problem - he showed that the federation had more value to him than his pride by begging Riker to do his duty.
Riker, on the other hand, was ready to commit treason - by not piloting the shuttle and ending an imminent cardassian attack on the federation - just because he was butthurt due to Jellico bruising his ego.

Jellico proved to be a FAR better man - and captain - than Riker.
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Old October 10 2011, 03:59 PM   #100
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I thought Riker was a jackass in that episode. Jellico rules.

the first part of that is true. The second part not so much. It's not an either/or thing. Both of them are in the wrong in COC. Jellico's rigid and inflexible, and seems to care nothing for the morale of his crew, which is a BAD quality for a CO.

Riker however should not be opposing him every step of the way, as he seems to do in the episodes. As XO, he's supposed to make things easier for Jellico, not act like a spoiled child who misses his mommy.
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Old October 11 2011, 02:51 AM   #101
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Jellico had all of this emphasis for preparing for battle but there's no crew more tested in battle than the Enterprise.
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Old October 11 2011, 06:05 PM   #102
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I thought Riker was a jackass in that episode. Jellico rules.

the first part of that is true. The second part not so much. It's not an either/or thing. Both of them are in the wrong in COC. Jellico's rigid and inflexible, and seems to care nothing for the morale of his crew, which is a BAD quality for a CO.

Riker however should not be opposing him every step of the way, as he seems to do in the episodes. As XO, he's supposed to make things easier for Jellico, not act like a spoiled child who misses his mommy.
But then there's this to consider from that episode:

RIKER: As First Officer, it is my responsibility to point out any actions that may be mistakes by a commanding officer. sir.

I think that was the position that Riker was coming from. We can go back even further in time to Star Trek: The Motion Picture in which Decker offered a different course of action to Kirk:

DECKER: Captain, as your Exec, it's my duty to point out alternatives.

The difference is in how their commanding officers handled an opinion that was different from theirs. Kirk acknowledged that Decker was indeed just doing his duty, while Jellico relieved Riker of his and threatened to confine him to quarters.

But as you mentioned, both Riker and Jellico were in the wrong--Riker protested a bit too much and Jellico didn't like having his orders questioned. Both overreactions likely a result of neither man remotely liking the other, IMO...
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Old October 11 2011, 06:19 PM   #103
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Personally I stand firm with Commander Riker and his assessment of Jellico ...

You are arrogant and closed-minded. You need to control everything and everyone. You don't provide an atmosphere of trust, and you don't inspire these people to go out of their way for you. You've get everybody wound up so tight there's no joy in anything. I don't think you're a particularly good Captain.
And yet he seemed to get along with Geordi and Troi near the end well enough and he seemed to have a good relationship with Data there as well.
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Old October 11 2011, 07:25 PM   #104
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Makes me wonder if they weren't trying to create a dynamic not unlike Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington in Crimson Tide...

It certainly would have been fun if they had gone all the way with it.
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Old October 12 2011, 12:45 AM   #105
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I think CE Evans summed it up pretty well.

Jellico didn't need to address any "honeymoon" period with the crew. However, he did absolutely NOTHING to settle their nerves about the sudden change in captaincy. True, Riker balked a little too much in the beginning, but he got his act in gear fairly soon afterward. Still, Jellico pushed everybody seriously hard, relentlessly so with no sign of compassion. Just "Get it done!". Just remember Geordi's reaction to his orders. And he's usually capable of taking a lot without complaining. But the main problem is that Jellico was ignorant of the time constraints in what was ordered. He simply dictated without any measure of inquiry about the ramifications. You want 4 shifts? Well, OK--the crew isn't going to be as steady/ready as you please.
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