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Old September 27 2011, 11:07 PM   #61
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My only nit is that you can't slice somone in half like that with one swing of a sword.
Yeah, that really bugged me. The human body isn't made of gelatin. There are bones and tendons and other hard or fibrous stuff that's hard to cut through. Maybe a sharp enough sword swung by a strong and skilled enough wielder could cut someone in half through the waist, or decapitate with one stroke, because there's only one bone to get through. But vertically? Through all those bones? In one easy stroke? That's just stupid.


Otherwise, an okay episode, although I didn't remember those characters who showed up for 20 seconds at the crime scene and then turned out to be suspects much later in the episode, so there was a structural problem there. (Though the fact that I watched in on DVR and took a break halfway through to make dinner might've been a factor.) Plus they were a little too self-conscious about "Oh, look how the guest characters reflect the relationship of the main characters!" And the whole thing was a bit too much of a cross-promotion for Marvel Comics, including the new "Derrick Storm" comic. At least the fact that ABC and Marvel are under the same ownership meant they could actually refer to real Marvel characters and give it some verisimilitude. (As for the Distinguished Competition, it's interesting that they could get away with mentioning the name Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent, but not Batman or Superman.)

Speaking of comic-book analogies for characters in the episode, when it turned out the bearded reporter guy wasn't the "superhero" but the civilian sidekick, I tried to think of a good comic-book analogy for that. Maybe Rick Jones, but he's not a reporter as far as I know.
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Old September 27 2011, 11:16 PM   #62
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The mentions of Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne elevated the episode (slightly) for me. Honestly, conspicuously mentioning only one company in a field takes me out of the story just as much as using a fictional equivalent. I think the writers were a little giddy that they could use all the (Marvel) comics they wanted.
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Old September 27 2011, 11:49 PM   #63
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Beckett and Castle were greeted by Officer Hastings at the start of the episode, she's the one who removed the police line for them and briefed them. In fact she was framed right in the middle of the scene before moving to our left and out of the frame. You couldn't miss her. We were supposed to be distracted by all the other stuff and forget about her (which we did) but she was clearly there. Like Castle though I did not see the twist coming that she was the superhero.

As for the sword, didn't they mention that Lone Vengeance broke his blade when he attempted to slice the body? They also mentioned at the crime scene that he was sliced from the head on down to the crotch area, I assume while implausible that with a sharp enough blade and a skilled enough person who had experience cutting cartridge and bones (remember the killer turned out to be the butcher) that this would be possible.

I had no problem with the in episode plugging of the graphic novel, since it was first introduced last season. It's not like it hurt the overall plot and as pointed out it served to push forward the "Caskett" parallel in a fun way.

As mentioned earlier, I do like the fact that we find out that Beckett is a comic book fan and she geeked out at Castle's "Avengers #1".
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Old September 27 2011, 11:57 PM   #64
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Speaking of comic-book analogies for characters in the episode, when it turned out the bearded reporter guy wasn't the "superhero" but the civilian sidekick, I tried to think of a good comic-book analogy for that. Maybe Rick Jones, but he's not a reporter as far as I know.
Lois Lane?
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Old September 28 2011, 12:01 AM   #65
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^ That'd be who I was thinking of too.
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Old September 28 2011, 02:24 AM   #66
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Beckett and Castle were greeted by Officer Hastings at the start of the episode, she's the one who removed the police line for them and briefed them. In fact she was framed right in the middle of the scene before moving to our left and out of the frame. You couldn't miss her. We were supposed to be distracted by all the other stuff and forget about her (which we did) but she was clearly there. Like Castle though I did not see the twist coming that she was the superhero.
Yes, I'm sure she was there, but the point is, if the intent was to have Beckett react to the revelation with such shocked recognition, as though Hastings were someone familiar and known to her, it doesn't work to have her be just an obscure bit player for 20 seconds in the teaser and then have her vanish for half an hour. They were going for a "Gasp!" reaction at the revelation, but all they got was a "Who?" reaction.


As for the sword, didn't they mention that Lone Vengeance broke his blade when he attempted to slice the body? They also mentioned at the crime scene that he was sliced from the head on down to the crotch area, I assume while implausible that with a sharp enough blade and a skilled enough person who had experience cutting cartridge and bones (remember the killer turned out to be the butcher) that this would be possible.
I think someone that experienced with cutting meat would know how stupid it would be to try to cut through that many bones at once with a single stroke. He'd go for a more efficient stroke like decapitation, or bisection along the waist. Or gutting the body without trying to cut through the back of the rib cage or the spine. There are a ton of ways an experienced butcher could brutally murder someone that make more practical sense than this. Having great skill in a certain craft doesn't mean you can do any random thing with ease; it means you know the difference between a good way to do something and a bad way to do it. And what was shown here was hardly the best way to use butchery skills to commit a brutal homicide. (I would imagine.)

Besides, a katana is a rather light blade. It wouldn't have a lot of momentum. It might cut through the first few bones if it were really well-made and ultra-sharp and wielded with significant force, but cumulatively it would probably get slowed to a stop or broken or blunted long before it reached the hips. Hell, if we're supposed to assume the head was bisected with the rest, then probably the katana would've gotten lodged in the skull before that happened.


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Speaking of comic-book analogies for characters in the episode, when it turned out the bearded reporter guy wasn't the "superhero" but the civilian sidekick, I tried to think of a good comic-book analogy for that. Maybe Rick Jones, but he's not a reporter as far as I know.
Lois Lane?
Yeah, I guess that could work if it's the later-on Lois who knows Clark is Superman. I guess I was looking more for sidekick-type characters. Maybe Chloe Sullivan from Smallville, but that's not comics. (I know she's been in a few comics, but it's a different incarnation without the inside knowledge of Clark Kent's double life.)
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Old September 28 2011, 03:14 AM   #67
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April O'Neil from TMNT, maybe? There's a civilian reporter sidekick to a superhero, anyway (or a group)
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Old September 28 2011, 04:33 AM   #68
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Actually I think they were going for more a gag reaction honestly Christopher considering the reaction we got from Castle. Also Beckett is the one who acknowledged Officer Hastings at the start as well. "Officer Hastings. What do we have?" or some such. It was set up from the start and paid off later on in the episode and the pay off wasn't Beckett's reaction, it was Castle's.
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Old September 28 2011, 11:52 AM   #69
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I agree that it wasn't well set up. I had no idea who they were talking about either. If they wanted a payoff, I don't think they got it...
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Old September 28 2011, 01:57 PM   #70
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Being a long-time comic fan I really enjoyed that episode. Beckett's reaction to Castle owning Avengers #1 was very cool!

I noticed the reporter at the crime scene right away because he the actor was on Jericho but I didn't pay much attention to the police woman letting Beckett and Castle into the crime scene.

I would also say that the guy getting split down the middle was a little over the top for me too but it didn't do anything to lessen my enjoyment of the episode. I was happy that they got back to their more light hearted formula of the show. Looing forward to next week's episode!
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Old September 28 2011, 02:16 PM   #71
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April O'Neil from TMNT, maybe? There's a civilian reporter sidekick to a superhero, anyway (or a group)
Well, the '80s cartoon and movie version, I guess. In the original comics (and the '00s animated series), April was a scientist.
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Old September 28 2011, 03:37 PM   #72
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A katana in the hands of a skilled martial artist can easily whack off a head or a limb. The few instances I've heard of body blows - say, a vertical whack down between neck and shoulder - the blade usually stops after maybe a foot of travel thru all those bones. I'm not sure if I've heard of torsos being whacked laterally apart, but I wouldn't be TOO surprised. Straight down on the head? I'm guessing it'd stop before it got as far as the sternum.

But I'm not convinced a butcher is a skilled martial artist. There are very specific ways to use a katana, and it ain't like a cleaver.
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Actually I think they were going for more a gag reaction honestly Christopher considering the reaction we got from Castle. Also Beckett is the one who acknowledged Officer Hastings at the start as well. "Officer Hastings. What do we have?" or some such. It was set up from the start and paid off later on in the episode and the pay off wasn't Beckett's reaction, it was Castle's.
If they wanted a reaction from the audience this should have been episode 7. Before then, we see this cop at a couple of crime scenes, maybe drop something off by Beckett's desk in another. After three appearances people will be talking about her, wondering what her significance is.

Get the audience used to seeing her, and then you get a better payoff when she is introduced as the super-hero.
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Old September 29 2011, 01:54 AM   #74
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^Yes, exactly. A setup/payoff structure doesn't work if the setup is so cursory and barely noticeable. At the very least, they should've given Officer Hastings a bigger scene, or more scenes, before the reveal -- although it would've been tricky to do that without making it obvious that this suddenly prominent one-time guest star was being set up for a big reveal.
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Old September 29 2011, 02:03 AM   #75
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Yeah, that can be tricky. I remember an episode of MONK where Stottlemeyer's previously anonymous secretary got enough screen time in the opening scenes that you just knew that she was going to end up being the killer somehow.

That being said, I admit my first response was "Hastings? Who the heck is Hastings?"

If you're going to pull that trick, you need a character that will at least make some impression early, so viewers won't be scratching their heads at the big reveal.
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