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Old September 22 2011, 02:13 PM   #3286
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The fight was actually the one thing in S3 that made sense to me as a fanboy.
I agree - with the addition of the Lana scenes. I thought that Reeve and O'toole played off each other very well.
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Old September 23 2011, 11:11 PM   #3287
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Oh boy, I met Kevin Costner yesterday when he recorded a talk show in Stockholm. He mostly promoted his new album (and played a song from it). I waited outside the studio and he signed a couple of things for me and I asked if he was wearing the beard (picture below, from the show) in the Superman movie, his answer: You'll see .... But I don't think so.

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Old September 24 2011, 04:10 AM   #3288
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The fight was actually the one thing in S3 that made sense to me as a fanboy.
I agree - with the addition of the Lana scenes. I thought that Reeve and O'toole played off each other very well.
Yeah...but "the Big Apricot?" Really? That's the kind of cheesy humor that a superhero movie would be savaged for throughout the Intarnets now.
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Old September 24 2011, 06:24 AM   #3289
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Eh...it was a different time.
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Old September 24 2011, 06:28 AM   #3290
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Dennis wrote: View Post
Misfit Toy wrote: View Post
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The fight was actually the one thing in S3 that made sense to me as a fanboy.
I agree - with the addition of the Lana scenes. I thought that Reeve and O'toole played off each other very well.
Yeah...but "the Big Apricot?" Really? That's the kind of cheesy humor that a superhero movie would be savaged for throughout the Intarnets now.
I must disagree. That kind of stuff is good-natured fun.

And on a related note: The super-hero movie humor that actually does offend me is stuff like Wolverine's "yellow spandex" crack in X-Men I. It was a dig at the comics, and symptomatic of the self-loathing that many comicbook movie screenwriters have for their source material. I cannot stress this enough: If you are ashamed of the conventions of the genre, then pick another genre! Superheroes wear tights. They are noble. They save lives and right wrongs. Why do the movies run away from that innocent sense of fun? Why must these films always be angsty, smutty, PG-13 crap?
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Old September 24 2011, 06:49 AM   #3291
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^ It is humorous to me when fans take this view with regards to changes to source material whatever it is. They wanted to take a "realistic" approach to their uniforms in "X-Men"and guess what happened afterwards (shock, gasp) New X-Men adapted this look, Grant Morrison in his X-Men manifesto/proposal even praises the films use of the realistic military uniforms. Mark Millar too used them in "Ultimate X-Men". Also I thought it was the heroes IN the costumes that saved lives and were noble, not the costumes themselves.
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Old September 24 2011, 06:51 AM   #3292
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And on a related note: The super-hero movie humor that actually does offend me is stuff like Wolverine's "yellow spandex" crack in X-Men I. It was a dig at the comics, and symptomatic of the self-loathing that many comicbook movie screenwriters have for their source material. I cannot stress this enough: If you are ashamed of the conventions of the genre, then pick another genre! Superheroes wear tights. They are noble. They save lives and right wrongs. Why do the movies run away from that innocent sense of fun? Why must these films always be angsty, smutty, PG-13 crap?
Actually I seem to recall that, if the "yellow spandex" line was taking a jab at anything, it was at another possibility for their costumes that might have been used on screen, but that didn't work out. When I saw the movie, I interpreted the line as admission that yellow spandex could have been better, at least in an ideal world.

Yes, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(...gn_and_effects, it looks like I'm right:
The filmmakers decided not to replicate the X-Men costumes as seen in the comic book. Stan Lee and Chris Claremont supported this decision. Claremont joked, "you can do that on a drawing, but when you put it on people it's disturbing!"[5] Producer/co-writer Tom DeSanto had been supportive of using the blue and yellow color scheme of the comics,[1] but once he saw tests of them, he declared, "No, that just doesn't work." Despite receiving positive feedback from various associates at Marvel Comics for the black costume design, fans on the internet still had negative emotions when X-Men was filming.[39] To acknowledge the fan complaints, Singer added Cyclops' line "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?" – when Wolverine complains about wearing their uniforms – during filming. Singer noted that durable black leather made more sense for the X-Men to wear as protective clothing.[1]
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[1] Hughes, David (2003). Comic Book Movies. Virgin Books. pp. 177–188. ISBN 0-7535-0767-6.
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[5] Stan Lee, Chris Claremont, Bryan Singer, Lauren Shuler Donner, Tom DeSanto, Avi Arad, The Secret Origin of The X-Men, 2000, 20th Century Fox
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[39] Scott Chitwood (2000-02-10). "DeSanto talks about X-Men costumes". IGN. Retrieved 2008-08-10.
So, you are saying Stan Lee should pick another genre?
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Old September 24 2011, 06:51 AM   #3293
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If you were to have actually read my post, Admiral Young, you'd have seen that I mentioned the goodness of the heroes, not just their wardrobe. Modern films are simply too damned cynical....like many BBSers.
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Old September 24 2011, 06:54 AM   #3294
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My apologies...you are right. You did say that. I still disagree with the point you made though.
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Old September 24 2011, 07:16 AM   #3295
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My apologies...you are right. You did say that. I still disagree with the point you made though.
Fair enough! <hugs it out>
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Old September 24 2011, 12:46 PM   #3296
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Why must these films always be angsty, smutty, PG-13 crap?
Because it was an X-Men film?

Angsty:

Like maybe the one where Xavier goes insane and becomes Onslaught? Or the one where Jean Grey goes insane and becomes Dark Phoenix? Or the one where Warren Worthington goes insane and becomes the new Apocalypse? Or the one where Xavier goes insane and becomes Onslaught? Or the one where Wolverine is Wolverine? Or the one where Xavier goes insane and becomes Onslaught?

Smutty:

How about the ones that have Psylocke? Because they're pretty much just straight-up pornography. Also, yellowface. Or the ones drawn by Greg Land. Or the ones written by Chris Claremont and his good old-fashioned fetishism?

PG-13:

Every X-Men comic written since roughly 1982, except for the ones which would get a soft R.

Or to combine all of above, the one where Cyclops loses the love of his life (well, at that pont) and because he is sad and also apparently blind (I guess faces are hard to make out through ruby quartz) subsequently marries her clone, who puts on BDSM gear after she goes insane and becomes the Goblin Queen.
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Old September 24 2011, 12:49 PM   #3297
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Or where Wolverine had the metal ripped off his skeleton by Magneto...
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Old September 24 2011, 12:57 PM   #3298
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Or where Wolverine had the metal ripped off his skeleton by Magneto...
Or the one where a people is marked for extinction and hunted down by intolerant bigots.
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Old September 24 2011, 01:01 PM   #3299
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Or a child sees his parents murdered by a hoodlum on the way home from the cinema...
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Old September 24 2011, 01:16 PM   #3300
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I always thought being captured by giant robots kicking and screaming could be a little intense on screen for younger children.
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