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Old September 13 2011, 02:50 AM   #61
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

I just can't believe they give us such sweet moments between Janeway and Chakotay, touching, dinners, New Earth, dialogue that makes you want to melt and they expect us to believe they are friends? *bangs head on desk
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Old September 13 2011, 02:54 AM   #62
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I just can't believe they give us such sweet moments between Janeway and Chakotay, touching, dinners, New Earth, dialogue that makes you want to melt and they expect us to believe they are friends? *bangs head on desk
Blame that on Mulgrew.
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Old September 13 2011, 03:00 AM   #63
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

I know. Which is what crushes me even more when I hear her talk about it in conventions. She just doesn't see it through the die hard fans point of view
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Old September 13 2011, 03:12 AM   #64
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I know. Which is what crushes me even more when I hear her talk about it in conventions. She just doesn't see it through the die hard fans point of view
No she doesn't.
She's too wrapped up in what is "right" to her, that she's forgotten part of point of TV is to please your audience. It kinda makes her short sighted. You approved Janeway getting all her crew home...........and she's still going to live her life alone because she still refused J/C?
How is that a happy ending for Janeway, especially considering way back in "Caretaker" she couldn't wait to get back to Mark and have a family.
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Old September 13 2011, 05:38 AM   #65
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

To be fair, there is also a large number of fans who are happy J/C did not happen.

IMO, at the very very very least, she could have had a thang with an alien fellow (or lady) who stuck around. I could have rolled with that, and it would have avoided some of the problems that J/C might have encountered had they actually gotten together.

Although I do wonder sometimes if she's not meant to be "happy" as a character. Every alternate timeline seen in the show ends poorly for her (dead or Forever Alone.)
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Old September 13 2011, 06:54 AM   #66
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

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I just can't believe they give us such sweet moments between Janeway and Chakotay, touching, dinners, New Earth, dialogue that makes you want to melt and they expect us to believe they are friends? *bangs head on desk
Haha agreed.
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Old September 13 2011, 12:06 PM   #67
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I just can't believe they give us such sweet moments between Janeway and Chakotay, touching, dinners, New Earth, dialogue that makes you want to melt and they expect us to believe they are friends? *bangs head on desk
Blame that on Mulgrew.

True... but given the Trek writer history of screwing up relationships... perhaps it was all for the best.

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Old September 14 2011, 02:34 AM   #68
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To be fair, there is also a large number of fans who are happy J/C did not happen.
There is always a Ying to every Yang.
However, if the the a viewer poll shows one side more in favor, then for the sake of keeping ratings strong you go with the J/Cer's. If those against are stronger, then the "relationship" stays the same.

So far, I don't know which side has the big audience.
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Old September 15 2011, 04:07 AM   #69
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Behind-the-scenes chest-thumping on the part of Robert Beltran, I'm told.

But I'm sure someone else can either back that up or prove it incorrect.
I remember a post her a long time ago putting the blame for C/7 at the foot of one of the "Endgame" writers, who was upset at not being brought on board for Enterprise.

Although, given Beltran's...er, well-established opinion on the way VOY was run, I wouldn't discredit this theory, either.
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Old September 16 2011, 02:42 AM   #70
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Well somewhere along the way they changed their minds and it seems less natural because of it. IMHO, I don't find it completely unnatural given that there are plenty of people that can't stand each other at first that become great couples.
I believe at the the time Ryan and Beltran were wondering if anything was going to come from "Natural Law" the plan was that "Human Error" would be the start of a tragic arc for Seven's character that would end with the death in the finale. When they backed off from that plan they needed something for Seven to do an so the "romance".
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Old September 19 2011, 02:33 PM   #71
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The amusing part about this discussion is that Chakotay is not even in the same League as Janeway. He's best off with a Borg just gaining her footing as a human that only recently discovered she had a six year relationship in a dream reality.

Janeway belongs with the guy from Workforce. I wanted him to stay on the ship. But nooooo. That wouldn't be proper. Egads. 30k LY from home and they're concerned with these things? With all the other members they had that weren't part of the fleet, they could have easily worked around that. Almost wish they didn't even put her in the adorable relationship. BOO!

BINGO!

Chak was not good enough for KJ she was/is way out of his league IMHO however they did have great Chemistry and would have made some fantastic babies.

He was always getting in her way, telling her she was wrong, taking crap personally, and trying to take over her ship (brain washed or not). Like "Scorpion" I wanted to smack him...

Chak wanted her and she just pushed him away.
Why?
There is no way Chak could have had a relationship with KJ and kept professional and personal separate. He was too emotional even for ol' planky and dare I say pig headed?

Don't get me wrong I have been known to indulge in a little J/C, and the pair was much more realistic then C/7. I much prefer Jaffen... no secret there
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Old September 19 2011, 02:45 PM   #72
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I thought that if Janeway helped Tuvok out with his Pon Farr, that things might progress, or at least she might challenge the security of the Security Officer's marriage.

Oh gods.

Janeway (ab)using Time Travel to get herself a bit more of that Mr. Vulcan loving.
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Old September 19 2011, 03:06 PM   #73
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I thought that if Janeway helped Tuvok out with his Pon Farr, that things might progress, or at least she might challenge the security of the Security Officer's marriage.

Oh gods.

Janeway (ab)using Time Travel to get herself a bit more of that Mr. Vulcan loving.

If that was to accure, KJ would have probably been the gal for the job.
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Old September 19 2011, 03:10 PM   #74
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Body and Soul.

Dude settled for a light bulb.
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Old September 19 2011, 04:43 PM   #75
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

I always got the impression that Janeway wasn't interested. Even when they were on the planet with no expectation of leaving, she wasn't that interested. Also, it's not uncommon for people who have known each other for years to suddenly shift gear into a romantic relationship. I know a few couples in my own small circle of friends who have done this.
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