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Old September 8 2011, 03:11 AM   #61
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Re: Announcing: Deep Space Nine Season 10!

A lot of times I'll have a general idea of conflict, climax, and resolution and the major characters in that individual story, but something is still missing when the writing is slow going. For example, in addition to making Crell Moset a major antagonist, it occured to me to have the Obsidian Order operative turned double agent betray the protagonist, and it all clicked.
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Old September 9 2011, 02:45 AM   #62
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Perhaps to try and stimulate some more discussion, I'll talk about an aspect of writing that really hit me in creating this episode more than it has previously - synchronicity. Maybe the other writers among you can relate?

For example, in episode 5 here, I initially mentioned the Kressari in the first scene in the Infirmary, purely as something that Bashir could have forgotten about, to demonstrate his failing mental faculties. I wanted a race we'd seen before on DS9. There was no greater intention to it than that.

It was only once it was already written that I realised what else I could do with it. How Kressari work with flowers, and flowers have been seen to have poisonous effects before (Garak used them on Romulus, for example), and that could be one of the things somebody could choose as a possible culprit for the dreams.

And then it was only after that, that I realised how the Kressari tied in even further through the already established character of Shing-Kur (from Fearful Symmetry and The Soul Key), who worked on messing with Taran'atar's head using dreams. And I could use that as a reason Cenn would distrust him - he was the one who interrogated Shing-Kur.

All of it just fell into place of its own accord, like the plot was writing itself. I love when that happens - when the stuff just works itself out if as it was meant to happen that way. It makes me feel like I'm really on the right track with things.

Does anyone else have a similar experience from their own writing?

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Some friends and I were cowriting a Power Rangers fanseason (mock me if you must, but I loves me some cheesy sci fi/fantasy action). About halfway through, we had the main villain team up with a bit character and leave the main cast for a while. We fully planned on bringing him back, so one of us had the genius idea of having the hard-traveling duo star in the teasers for each upcoming episode. Like the teasers for Batman: The Brave and the Bold that were for the most part unrelated to the episode's overplot.

Later in the series, maybe four or five episodes later, I wanted to do an episode based around the traveling duo. However, we hadn't planned anything about their adventures other than making them funny, so I needed to find a way to tie them all together into a coherent narrative to feed into my new installment's plot.

The teasers involved things like aliens, mythological creatures, war diplomacy, and space travel. Just the most OUT THERE things we could think of.

Then came my episode.

I reread all the teasers, and completely randomly, there WAS a thread that tied them all together. Aliens, merfolk, space travel; even within the context of Power Rangers, this was all stuff that blurred the line between fiction and reality. So I made the episode's MacGuffin a mystical artifact which also blurred the lines between fiction and reality, and I used it to put a bunch of fanwanky stuff in the background in a way that was more organic than just doing it because it was fanfic and who cares.

And it WORKED.

I love synchronicity.
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Old September 12 2011, 11:52 AM   #63
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Here cometh episode 6.

But first, a repost of the links in case someone wants to catch up...

10x01 - Emancipation
10x02 - Brave New World
10x03 - Steppin' Out
10x04 - Easy Come, Easy Go
10x05 - Deep Down

and now...

10x06 - The Dream Box

No, it's not the stage play as written by Andrew J Robinson. I've never read that or seen it. But I decided to use the title because my episode does incorporate what I assume must have happened in that story, along with a few other bits and pieces from here and there. In some cases I specifically referenced other works to craft my story; in others I actually came up with the idea independently but then discovered after the fact that someone else had already done a similar idea. I've made sure to credit where credit is due.

Hope you like it. I'm quite pleased with this one myself.

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Old September 13 2011, 09:31 PM   #64
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Wow, what a bloodbath! Granted the pieces were already known from future novels- but it was really quite shocking to see how it enfolded. After the fall of the Dominion, Cardassia Prime really has been changed from being the equivalent of Nazi Germany, to the embattled Middle East.

I really do like where this series is going. I can also tell there is some pipe being laid with that camera shocking Nog and itching Shar, and this whole Vinculum thing. Can start to see more seeds being planted for the Ascendant arc, and I am amped.

Maybe just a suggestion to call it something other than 'Vinculum' since it's an obscure word that most trekkers will just associate with a piece of Borg technology anyways
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Old September 13 2011, 11:18 PM   #65
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Maybe just a suggestion to call it something other than 'Vinculum' since it's an obscure word that most trekkers will just associate with a piece of Borg technology anyways
Not my place - the concept was already introduced and named in Andrew J Robinson's short story "The Calling," published in the DS9: Prophecy and Change collection from 2003.

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Old September 14 2011, 12:17 AM   #66
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Not my place - the concept was already introduced and named in Andrew J Robinson's short story "The Calling," published in the DS9: Prophecy and Change collection from 2003.

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Forgot about that, I stand corrected.

That just shows the level of detail going on here in staying faithful to the show/novels. It's nice seeing the blanks filled in and the characters acting 'in character'. Love showing the fact that also while Garak has become 'warm and fuzzier' over time, now that he is on Cardassia he is more free to act on his darker capabilities as well
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Old September 14 2011, 10:35 AM   #67
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I loved writing that aspect of Garak, yes. It was a bit of a roller coaster for him - being part of the family, staying for dinner, playing with the kids at the beginning, political and religious machinations in the middle... and stone cold killer at the end.

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Old September 14 2011, 11:49 PM   #68
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I'm really interested in reading these, I'll download them tomorrow.
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Old September 17 2011, 11:49 PM   #69
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I knew that Jartek was up to something the second Garak voiced his suspicions of him. That does seem like a stereotypically Cardassian way of thinking, seeking to create a martyr for the good of the Reunion Project. But someone like Jartek could end up betraying the cause he claims to believe in.
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Old September 18 2011, 12:22 AM   #70
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That's kind of the irony behind it - supposedly supporting the cause of Democracy, by using the most undemocratic methods possible.

I like the Pandora's Box element this story takes on. It all starts when they open the "dream box" - the hidden Hebitian city - and all these horrors come flying out of it: disease, riots, murder. They take their toll on the world, but at the end, Garak goes back to the box, and finds the last thing in it: hope, in the form of information about the disease and the confidence to do something about it. Again, that in my original plan, and I only saw that once I'd already written it. It kind of gives a whole new flavour to the "Dream Box" title.

As an aside, Enterprise1981, I see you have a presence on Ad Astra. Do you advise me to set up on there too? Or is it mostly the same people who come here? And how does it work exactly? Thanks in advance.

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Old September 18 2011, 04:44 AM   #71
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Ok, I finally found time to read the last episode.

And a question. Wasn't Oralius a she? That's how the deity is referred in Treklit--at least in the books that I'e read. I didn't read Glories of the Hebitians and Well of Souls, so I wonder if she isn't a "he" in these books.

Garak...Somehow it feels strange seeing him so soft and friendly. It's certainly him when he kills Jatrek, but having dinner with the O'Briens? The O'Briens inviting him for dinner?

It always bothered me to see that Garak in Treklit was considered such a nice, good, pro-democracy fellow, while in the show he was a supporter of oppressive Cardassia. For God's sake, he used to be an Obsidian Order agent and he enjoyed that job! I wonder if facing near genocide of his race changed him, but I never saw in the show any signs that Garak was able to change.

Interesting details about Ghemor's assassination and the details of Cardassian political situation.

I'm not Enterprise1981, but I'd say that if you'd like to post your stories at AdAstra--go ahead. Some people are present here and there, but there many people who are not on this forum and the would have a chance to read your stories.
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Old September 18 2011, 01:37 PM   #72
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And a question. Wasn't Oralius a she? That's how the deity is referred in Treklit--at least in the books that I'e read. I didn't read Glories of the Hebitians and Well of Souls, so I wonder if she isn't a "he" in these books.
I got the impression that Oralius itself was seen as genderless, but that each person channeling it at any one time referred to it by their own gender. I'm sure there was a scene somewhere - A Stitch in Time? The Lotus Flower? - where there's both a male and a female Guide, and the male refers to Oralius as he, and the female refers to it as she. So that the gender issue is less about what they're channeling as it is about who is doing the channeling.

But then the Guide in the Terok Nor trilogy is always a female called Astraea, so maybe you're right.


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Garak...Somehow it feels strange seeing him so soft and friendly. It's certainly him when he kills Jatrek, but having dinner with the O'Briens? The O'Briens inviting him for dinner?
Garak himself is horrified at the thought. But people have been growing more comfortable with him for years now, and trusting him. I don't think any of them have any illusions about what he can do or has done, but they're willing to see the good in him too.

But as you say, it doesn't change what Garak is deep down.


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It always bothered me to see that Garak in Treklit was considered such a nice, good, pro-democracy fellow, while in the show he was a supporter of oppressive Cardassia. For God's sake, he used to be an Obsidian Order agent and he enjoyed that job! I wonder if facing near genocide of his race changed him, but I never saw in the show any signs that Garak was able to change.
Here I'm not sure I agree. Even on the TV show, Garak was pretty clearly on the Federation's side by the end of season 5 - he served openly on the Defiant and gave them intelligence against his fellow Cardassians. I don't think there's any doubt that he did that not out of any greater loyalty to the Federation but out of his own love for Cardassia. But that's the thing - he loved Cardassia and its people more than he loved any one political system on Cardassia.

I'll grant that the Lit has pushed harder in that direction than TV did, what with pushing him closer to the Oralian Way and giving him a background of sentimentalism and having been "forced" into the Order without a say in the matter. But I don't know that it's an unbelievable or unlikely development. I still think that Garak would support whatever system he thinks holds the best chances for a safe and happy Cardassia. If that's anti-Federation one day and pro-Federation the next, so be it.

I also had my little nod here to the short story "The Slow Knife" from the Seven Deadly Sins collection. That story established that Garak was involved in making the Setlik Massacre happen (without naming names, but it was pretty clearly him). It gives a whole new element to Garak's teasing O'Brien about that in "Empok Nor." And I wondered if, in the ruined emotional state Garak is in by "The Calling," he might be driven to apologise to O'Brien for that. But then I thought that no, Garak would never let a secret like that out. So I settled for another middle ground - apologising without actually saying what he's apologising for.

In that way, I think Garak and O'Brien have as interesting a relationship as Garak and Bashir, or Bashir and O'Brien.


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I'd like that. But how does it work exactly? I've had a quick look round, but it doesn't seem to be a bulletin board in the same way TrekBBS is. There's categories and judgings and all sorts going on - I'm a bit intimidated.

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Old September 18 2011, 02:05 PM   #73
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I'd like that. But how does it work exactly? I've had a quick look round, but it doesn't seem to be a bulletin board in the same way TrekBBS is. There's categories and judgings and all sorts going on - I'm a bit intimidated.

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AdAstra is an archive. http://www.adastrafanfic.com/ Here you post your stories and people read and review them.

There is also AdAstra forum. http://forums.adastrafanfic.com/ You don't post your stories here, but you interact with other writers from AdAstra. Some sections are not available for non-registered, but you can take a look to see what the forum is about and how different from the archive.

As for judging, it's only about technical matters: grammar, spelling, etc. The content is not judged, because the owner wants the archive to be open to all sorts of stories, so that everyone can find something interesting to read.

I say give it a try
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As an aside, Enterprise1981, I see you have a presence on Ad Astra. Do you advise me to set up on there too? Or is it mostly the same people who come here? And how does it work exactly? Thanks in advance.
It's up to you. I, personally, haven't seen any works in screenplay format, but that approach is certainly is welcome there. As someone who writes a lot stories divided like hour-long episodes, I would suggest dividing each act in different chapters should you choose to open a user account there. Once you've mastered the eccentricities involved in posting your works the way you want them, it should be a snap.
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Old September 25 2011, 09:41 PM   #75
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Morning all!

So I went ahead and set up an account on Ad Astra - it's at http://www.adastrafanfic.com/viewuser.php?uid=285.

I'm behind on the schedule there, obviously, I'm only just in the process of uploading episode 2. But over there I've been uploading the text right onto the page, rather than just posting a link.

Which frankly I could have been doing over here all along too. Would you prefer me to do that?

Anyway, in the meantime here's episode 7 - 10x07 - "Instinct"

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