The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread! - Page 10

TheSeeker · September 15 2011, 05:42 PM

Did you try to make use of the phone numbers provided?

Flake · September 15 2011, 06:00 PM

bullethead wrote:

Honestly, I'd imagine that they would replace all the VFX for the sake of consistency. Especially since there's only so much footage of the various models to go around and one can really tell the difference between them.

But we have lived with the inconsistency for 25 years, one minute its the 6ft ILM stock shots and the next minute its 4ft model and new shots! I would love CGI if they have the time and money to do it right but I fear they won't get time or money.

JarodRussell · September 15 2011, 08:16 PM

If I want stuff tampered with, I buy the Star Wars Special Edition.

RAMA · September 15 2011, 08:35 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

If I want stuff tampered with, I buy the Star Wars Special Edition.

Hilarious...tell me where they changed the TOS stories then maybe you'd have a case...

RAMA

JarodRussell · September 15 2011, 09:11 PM

RAMA wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

If I want stuff tampered with, I buy the Star Wars Special Edition.

Hilarious...tell me where they changed the TOS stories then maybe you'd have a case...

RAMA

Why, where did they change the stories in the SW SE?

bullethead · September 15 2011, 09:43 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

RAMA wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

If I want stuff tampered with, I buy the Star Wars Special Edition.

Hilarious...tell me where they changed the TOS stories then maybe you'd have a case...

RAMA

Why, where did they change the stories in the SW SE?

Greedo shooting first changes how the audience perceives Han Solo. It makes him less of a rogue and more of a regular protagonist.

Skywalker · September 15 2011, 10:50 PM

Ugh. Let's not get into the Star Wars stuff here, please. We've got like fifty threads about it down in SF&F; go argue about it there.

RAMA · September 16 2011, 05:55 AM

Someone posted this over at trekmovie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJtE8afwJEg

http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/14/new-...oject/#3888412

Seam carving is a way to seamlessly make 4:3 look like 16:9 with little or no noticeable distortion.

Destructor · September 16 2011, 06:14 AM

I don't know if making 4:3 image to 16:9 is worth it. The didn't do it for TOS, why do it for TNG? It looks awful for the HD Friends/Seinfeld 'explosions'. (I'm assuming TNG wasn't show in 16:9, like B5 was).

lindajamison76 · September 16 2011, 08:43 AM

Good post. I appreciate it!

Squiggy · September 16 2011, 02:20 PM

Destructor wrote:

I don't know if making 4:3 image to 16:9 is worth it. The didn't do it for TOS, why do it for TNG? It looks awful for the HD Friends/Seinfeld 'explosions'. (I'm assuming TNG wasn't show in 16:9, like B5 was).

I made these a while back to show how cropping wouldn't negatively impact the show.

Here's the originally framed 4:3 shot

And the HDified 16:9

Another shot, old school:

And new hotness:

The "meat" of the action has been, and will always be in the center section of the screen. Losing the background on top and the foreground on the bottom wouldn't really negatively impact the plot, feel, or "director's vision".

Plus, lot of people just like having the entirety of their TV that they paid a lot of money for filled with exciting colors and moving images. Double if they paid hundreds of dollars for the full TNG-HD box set.

JarodRussell · September 16 2011, 02:53 PM

I like the cropped shots better. But there are some cases where it wouldn't work or where they would have to build artificial pans into the scenes.

AviTrek · September 16 2011, 02:56 PM

Squiggy, there are easy shots and there are hard shots. I'm sure a lot of the shots are easy to crop. The problem is, you need to crop every shot of every episode. All it takes is one or two shot that are too difficult to crop and it ruins the entire episode.

If you check this thread, I submitted a couple trickier shots. Someone tried to make them 16x9, but the results were noticeably crowded and worse than the original.

Squiggy · September 16 2011, 02:57 PM

True, it wouldn't work for 100% of the shots in the series. I think most of the shots were static. It's not like Sorkin and West Wing where you had long walk and talks but even those other shots in TNG were left-right movement/pans. Since you're not cutting out anything on the left or right (just the top and bottom) then it should be alright for the most part.

If that makes any sense. Hell if I know. I'm a sound guy.

JarodRussell · September 16 2011, 03:00 PM

AviTrek wrote:

Squiggy, there are easy shots and there are hard shots. I'm sure a lot of the shots are easy to crop. The problem is, you need to crop every shot of every episode.

Well, if they have to scan the film reels, they have to redo the cropping for every shot anyway.

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JarodRussell Vice Admiral	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread! If I want stuff tampered with, I buy the Star Wars Special Edition. __________________ lol l /\

September 15 2011, 10:50 PM	#142
Skywalker Admiral	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread! Ugh. Let's not get into the Star Wars stuff here, please. We've got like fifty threads about it down in SF&F; go argue about it there.

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RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread! Someone posted this over at trekmovie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJtE8afwJEg http://trekmovie.com/2011/09/14/new-...oject/#3888412 Seam carving is a way to seamlessly make 4:3 look like 16:9 with little or no noticeable distortion. __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey

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September 16 2011, 02:56 PM	#148
AviTrek Fleet Captain	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread! Squiggy, there are easy shots and there are hard shots. I'm sure a lot of the shots are easy to crop. The problem is, you need to crop every shot of every episode. All it takes is one or two shot that are too difficult to crop and it ruins the entire episode. If you check this thread, I submitted a couple trickier shots. Someone tried to make them 16x9, but the results were noticeably crowded and worse than the original.

September 16 2011, 02:57 PM	#149
Squiggy Shit Supreme Location: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.	Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread! True, it wouldn't work for 100% of the shots in the series. I think most of the shots were static. It's not like Sorkin and West Wing where you had long walk and talks but even those other shots in TNG were left-right movement/pans. Since you're not cutting out anything on the left or right (just the top and bottom) then it should be alright for the most part. If that makes any sense. Hell if I know. I'm a sound guy. __________________ ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!