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Old September 14 2011, 05:17 PM   #3121
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Did I say he was missing any of his powers? No. I said that he was de-powered.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:20 PM   #3122
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Whoa, is this yet another "origin story"? I hoped this might be a full on Superman movie, no bullshit. Everybody and his dog knows Superman's origin story.
That's because it's the quintessential Superman story. I know that I'm going to hear about the wise men and the manger every Christmas, too.
so why is there is need to tell it? I personally don't see the need to reboot Superman. It's heyday as a movie franchise was long ago anyhow, of course with the late, great Christopher Reeve. If I were a Hollywood exec, I would have followed on from the Reeve films, and had either Metallo, or even Brainiac as the enemy.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:22 PM   #3123
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Whoa, is this yet another "origin story"? I hoped this might be a full on Superman movie, no bullshit. Everybody and his dog knows Superman's origin story.
That's because it's the quintessential Superman story. I know that I'm going to hear about the wise men and the manger every Christmas, too.
so why is there is need to tell it? I personally don't see the need to reboot Superman. It's heyday as a movie franchise was long ago anyhow, of course with the late, great Christopher Reeve. If I were a Hollywood exec, I would have followed on from the Reeve films, and had either Metallo, or even Brainiac as the enemy.
So, basically Superman Returns II, then?
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Old September 14 2011, 05:23 PM   #3124
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Did I say he was missing any of his powers? No. I said that he was de-powered.
De-powered how?

I think the fact that Superman has powers is IMO his appeal. A superhero IMO should be somebody who is larger than life, that's the point of the concept of the genre. Batman is boring IMO for not having powers (contrary to most noted comic book superheros, like Spiderman, The Flash, The Hulk, The X-Men, Steel, etc.)
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Old September 14 2011, 05:24 PM   #3125
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"Superman: The Animated" series depowered Clark rather significantly as did "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" and each of these series are lauded for the most part by fans as being some of the best Superman stories of all time.
How so? In the Animated Series, he had all of the usual powers.
Yeah, maybe he wasn't lifting mountains, but I never got the sense he was all that depowered otherwise. Especially with all the ultra-powerful villains and long, massive battles we saw on those shows.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:26 PM   #3126
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JarrodRussell acting ignorant to knowledge that has been known for at least a year now for the seemingly purpose to complain? That doesn't sound like him at all.

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I liked what they did in Superman Returns: Clark actually needed glasses before his body reacted to the effects of the yellow sun.
I've seen the movie a few times and I don't remember that. The only thing I saw was a young Clark (with powers) wearing glasses.
It was one of the key elements of the film. In the flashback, Clark could jump long distances (so he had some powers), but still needed glasses. He then jumped too far and fell through the roof of the barn, saving himself by floating/flying for the first time. It is also at this time that he discovered he didn't need the glasses anymore, and it was suggested he could see in 20/20 vision when he couldn't before.

This is later paralleled with Jason in that he has asthma throughout the film, but the moment he tosses the piano (which is implied to be for the first time), he is shown to breath easily and doesn't need the inhaler anymore.
Hmm. I guess I never looked at it like that before.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:26 PM   #3127
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That's because it's the quintessential Superman story. I know that I'm going to hear about the wise men and the manger every Christmas, too.
so why is there is need to tell it? I personally don't see the need to reboot Superman. It's heyday as a movie franchise was long ago anyhow, of course with the late, great Christopher Reeve. If I were a Hollywood exec, I would have followed on from the Reeve films, and had either Metallo, or even Brainiac as the enemy.
So, basically Superman Returns II, then?
In essence, why not? People say Superman Returns was rubbish, but to me it had the feel of the Reeve films.

I don't get the point of a reboot, as it's not as if the franchise was flagging. Most Superman works are (apart from the comics of course) small release films like All-Star Superman or short run animated series such as in the 1990s.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:27 PM   #3128
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Well to be fair, there's not really much to talk about at the moment EXCEPT minor things like hair, glasses, the costume, etc.
We could discuss the fact that Supes isn't wearing a red Speedo.

Just a thought.

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so why is there is need to tell it? I personally don't see the need to reboot Superman.
There's no need. There's no need for a Superman movie.

Supe's origin is simply a story that really works, again and again. It's a story that lots of people like. It gets retold in the comics over and over not usually because there's a need to bring new readers up to speed but because just about everyone who takes over the title wants to tell it.

Now, once per reboot is probably enough.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:30 PM   #3129
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I don't understand all the complaints about an origin. We kind of should know that this is how all first superhero films are structured now. Kind of how the studio wants to present the character. They don't take into account that hardcore fans are familiar with the concept or the general audience may or may not know Clark Kent's real name or that he's from Krypton. They generally assume he doesn't. Again this will most likely be structured like "Batman Begins" was as a journey story.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:34 PM   #3130
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"Superman: The Animated" series depowered Clark rather significantly as did "Justice League" and "Justice League Unlimited" and each of these series are lauded for the most part by fans as being some of the best Superman stories of all time.
How so? In the Animated Series, he had all of the usual powers.

He couldn't breath in space. He had trouble lifting a plane up.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:36 PM   #3131
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so why is there is need to tell it? I personally don't see the need to reboot Superman.
Well that's assuming it's just the simplistic "Krypton explodes/Superman grows up in Smallville" kind of origin.

Most likely, Nolan will want to add a lot of extra elements and use that to make Superman's character and journey a bit more interesting and complex than we've seen before.
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Old September 14 2011, 05:45 PM   #3132
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We're going to go into the mind of Superman! Cities will fold in on itself and a train appears for no particular reason

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Old September 14 2011, 06:00 PM   #3133
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I don't understand all the complaints about an origin. We kind of should know that this is how all first superhero films are structured now. Kind of how the studio wants to present the character. They don't take into account that hardcore fans are familiar with the concept or the general audience may or may not know Clark Kent's real name or that he's from Krypton. They generally assume he doesn't. Again this will most likely be structured like "Batman Begins" was as a journey story.

And let's face it, they tried the 'pick up where the Reeves movies left off' approach with Returns, which was viewed as a disappointment, even if I'm in the camp that liked it. So the reboot was inevitable.
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Old September 14 2011, 07:05 PM   #3134
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I liked the Kevin Smith script when it came to that. No origin story. Just Superman from the start.
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Old September 14 2011, 07:10 PM   #3135
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The Kevin Smith script unfortunately was flawed due to Jon Peters constant inane suggestions. Kevin basically had to alter the Superman story he really wanted to tell.

Maybe one day we will get an established Superman story. The first X-Men movie wasn't an origin movie so there are examples. It's also a matter of what kind of story the studio wants told. I'm guessing the starting from scratch mentality has to do with the critical back lash "Superman Returns" got.
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