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Old September 12 2011, 11:54 AM   #1
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Starburst on the animated "Shada"

A nice (and incredibly thorough) article on Ian Levine's production to finish the story.

My hope for "Shada"'s DVD release is that it would include the animated Paul McGann version, if only for ease of comparison.
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Old September 12 2011, 12:20 PM   #2
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Re: Starburst on the animated "Shada"

I would be one of those fans who would cry "sacrilege" to anyone other than Tom Baker playing The Fourth Doctor. I'm all for this version of Shada and I applaud Ian Levine for his initiative but it should not be done without Tom Baker himself. If something last second happens and Tom Baker does decide to lend his voice to the project, then I'll be thrilled, but until such a time occurs, I'll be perfectly content with the Paul McGann version.
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Old September 12 2011, 03:41 PM   #3
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I was actually surprised to read that this restoration was unauthorized. Didn't 2 Entertain announce a few months ago that it was preparing Shada for DVD release? I head about Levine's project soon after and I assumed it was being done for 2 Entertain.

Remember any such restoration would simply be an approximation anyway, and the McGann version (which I agree should be included in any future DVD) was condemned by some fans as well who felt Baker should have done it back in 2003.

Levine has pretty strong connections (considering he used to work with the Doctor Who Production Office) so I'd say we're likely to see this show up in some form before long.

As for hearing Baker do a version, I'd say cross your fingers that Big Finish manages to talk Tom and his ex-wife Lalla Ward into doing audios together. If they manage that trick, expect a Lost Stories version of Shada to be announced pretty darn fast.

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Old September 12 2011, 04:43 PM   #4
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Re: Starburst on the animated "Shada"

I was actually surprised to read that this restoration was unauthorized. Didn't 2 Entertain announce a few months ago that it was preparing Shada for DVD release? I head about Levine's project soon after and I assumed it was being done for 2 Entertain.
No, Levine's plan was always to present the completed animation to 2|Entertain as a fait accompli -- "Take it or leave it." 2|Entertain had no interest in doing this on their own; it wouldn't have fit their budget.
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Old September 12 2011, 08:36 PM   #5
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Re: Starburst on the animated "Shada"

That was indeed a superb article. I hope Levine's efforts are rewarded with a release. I must admit, I'd be unlikely to buy it, just as I'm unlikely to check out the McGann version (really, I'm a tv-only fan) but it would be just reward for his had work and all those who would want to see it would get to do so.

Do those who are familiar with the story think it could be re-worked as a story for the Eleventh (or even Twelfth!) Doctor?
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Old September 12 2011, 08:42 PM   #6
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Re: Starburst on the animated "Shada"

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Do those who are familiar with the story think it could be re-worked as a story for the Eleventh (or even Twelfth!) Doctor?
There's nothing about "Shada" that is fourth Doctor-specific. That's why it was able to be reworked so easily into an eighth Doctor story for Big Finish.

"Shada" could work in a post-Time War setting, sure. Make Professor Chronotis a Time Lord who went to ground during the Time War.
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Old September 12 2011, 09:05 PM   #7
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^ Thanks. Well, with them having adapted a Seventh Doctor novel for Ten and with the likes of Neil Gaiman writing for the new show, here's hoping someone sees the wisdom of adapting a Douglas Adams script.
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Old September 13 2011, 03:51 AM   #8
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As for hearing Baker do a version, I'd say cross your fingers that Big Finish manages to talk Tom and his ex-wife Lalla Ward into doing audios together. If they manage that trick, expect a Lost Stories version of Shada to be announced pretty darn fast.
Would BF actually do another version of the same story after the McGann/Ward one just so Baker could do it?
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Old September 13 2011, 03:55 AM   #9
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As for hearing Baker do a version, I'd say cross your fingers that Big Finish manages to talk Tom and his ex-wife Lalla Ward into doing audios together. If they manage that trick, expect a Lost Stories version of Shada to be announced pretty darn fast.
Would BF actually do another version of the same story after the McGann/Ward one just so Baker could do it?
The only way I'd see them doing it is if Baker rerecorded the Doctor's lines, and they were edited into the extant audio production in places of McGann's.

But I don't see the point of this.

I don't think it makes financial sense for them to spend the time and money to create this. I certainly don't think it makes sense for them to attempt a full remount of "Shada."

And why should they? They have a perfectly acceptable "Shada" that they've been selling for much of the last decade. I don't know what new Tom Baker would bring to another audio production.
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Old September 13 2011, 04:48 AM   #10
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Do those who are familiar with the story think it could be re-worked as a story for the Eleventh (or even Twelfth!) Doctor?
There's nothing about "Shada" that is fourth Doctor-specific. That's why it was able to be reworked so easily into an eighth Doctor story for Big Finish.
I don't think "Shada" will work without Romana and K9. Actually I take it back, River could replace Romana and since K9 is masterless right now, the Doctor could pick him up again.
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Do those who are familiar with the story think it could be re-worked as a story for the Eleventh (or even Twelfth!) Doctor?
There's nothing about "Shada" that is fourth Doctor-specific. That's why it was able to be reworked so easily into an eighth Doctor story for Big Finish.
I don't think "Shada" will work without Romana and K9. Actually I take it back, River could replace Romana and since K9 is masterless right now, the Doctor could pick him up again.
What makes you believe K-9 is Master-less (Well, Mistress-Less). In the Classic Series, K-9 stayed on Gallifrey with Leela, K9 Mk II stayed at the CVE with Romana. The Audio Series Gallifrey Adventures doesn't make either one available to be picked up.
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Re: Starburst on the animated "Shada"

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There's nothing about "Shada" that is fourth Doctor-specific. That's why it was able to be reworked so easily into an eighth Doctor story for Big Finish.
I don't think "Shada" will work without Romana and K9. Actually I take it back, River could replace Romana and since K9 is masterless right now, the Doctor could pick him up again.
What makes you believe K-9 is Master-less (Well, Mistress-Less). In the Classic Series, K-9 stayed on Gallifrey with Leela, K9 Mk II stayed at the CVE with Romana. The Audio Series Gallifrey Adventures doesn't make either one available to be picked up.
I think he's talking about Mark IV (the replacement for Mark III, which was destroyed in School Reunion).

Mark I - Stayed behind on Gallifrey with Leela
Mark II - Stayed in e-Space with the fake Romana
Mark III - Given to Sarah Jane as a gift by the Doctor (K9 and Company: A Girl's Best Friend), died in School Reunion
Mark IV - Also given to Sarah Jane by the Doctor
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I don't think "Shada" will work without Romana and K9. Actually I take it back, River could replace Romana and since K9 is masterless right now, the Doctor could pick him up again.
What makes you believe K-9 is Master-less (Well, Mistress-Less). In the Classic Series, K-9 stayed on Gallifrey with Leela, K9 Mk II stayed at the CVE with Romana. The Audio Series Gallifrey Adventures doesn't make either one available to be picked up.
I think he's talking about Mark IV (the replacement for Mark III, which was destroyed in School Reunion).

Mark I - Stayed behind on Gallifrey with Leela
Mark II - Stayed in e-Space with the fake Romana
Mark III - Given to Sarah Jane as a gift by the Doctor (K9 and Company: A Girl's Best Friend), died in School Reunion
Mark IV - Also given to Sarah Jane by the Doctor
Ah, thanks, I had forgotten about Sarah Jane and her K9s (Mark I and II being so fresh in my head from Gallifrey Adventures and Classic Tom Baker, which I have just completed watching this weekend).
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I would be one of those fans who would cry "sacrilege" to anyone other than Tom Baker playing The Fourth Doctor. I'm all for this version of Shada and I applaud Ian Levine for his initiative but it should not be done without Tom Baker himself. If something last second happens and Tom Baker does decide to lend his voice to the project, then I'll be thrilled, but until such a time occurs, I'll be perfectly content with the Paul McGann version.
Tom's given it his blessing, he had his chance. Everyone else puts in great performances, Daniel Hill in particular raves about the project.

And the sound-alike is pretty good. It shows when you keep going between the two in earlier episodes (which were mostly recorded) but in the longer gaps, its very easy to forget its not Tom.

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No, Levine's plan was always to present the completed animation to 2|Entertain as a fait accompli -- "Take it or leave it."
He's backtracked a little on that now. He now doesn't oppose reasonable changes.
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Do those who are familiar with the story think it could be re-worked as a story for the Eleventh (or even Twelfth!) Doctor?
Just what the world needs, another Shada!

Be pretty hard though. Its somewhat Timelord dependant.
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Mark IV - Also given to Sarah Jane by the Doctor
The remote control version's instructions call him the IIIa. Same memories perhaps (The master rebuilt me)
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and the McGann version (which I agree should be included in any future DVD)
The problem is the BBC don't own the audio. And Big Finish don't own the animation. So whilst none of the webcasts are impossible it wouldn't come cheap.
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Levine has pretty strong connections (considering he used to work with the Doctor Who Production Office) so I'd say we're likely to see this show up in some form before long.
He also has a strong history of burning his bridges. He used to do documentaries for the range - Genesis Of The Daleks, Edge Of Destruction, Inferno - but they found him too difficult to work with.

He gets on with some of them better than others (so has been interviewed) and theres one or two interesting projects lined up he may be involved with. On their terms.
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As for hearing Baker do a version, I'd say cross your fingers that Big Finish manages to talk Tom and his ex-wife Lalla Ward into doing audios together.
They wouldn't even have to work together. Apparently Mary's had other commitments and had to record her lines for her next stories separately.

Lalla's not opposed to the idea of working with Tom, but I wouldn't like to bet on it happening. They haven't spoken to each other in 20 years. They don't want to upset Tom.
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Article sounds rather defensive if you ask me. Anyway, check out the Doctor's legs in that last picture, they look hilarious.
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