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Old September 8 2011, 05:02 PM   #16
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

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Old September 8 2011, 05:11 PM   #17
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

Captain Kathryn "Wrongway" Janeway
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Old September 8 2011, 05:12 PM   #18
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

I think Decker had reason to go crazy - seeing his whole crew destroyed. So I'm cutting him a break.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:13 PM   #19
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Captain "Not until Tuesday" from Generations. What a complete boob.
Agree, Captain John Harriman.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:14 PM   #20
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I'll also throw Garth of Izar into the mix.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:25 PM   #21
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Any captain who knowingly betrayed Starfleet and/or the Federation.

At least you could argue that any other captain was trying to do the right thing.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:25 PM   #22
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Another vote for Captain Harriman. And it really annoys me what they did there. I understand that they wanted an opportunity for Kirk to be the hero and take charge. But to indicate that Starfleet would give the captaincy of the Enterprise to such an inexperienced, as well as indecisive, officer as Harriman stretches credibility.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:45 PM   #23
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To be fair, we might have to make a distinction between what we saw of a captain during their time on screen vs. what their past record was. The encounter with the Doomsday Machine "broke" Matt Decker's mind. True- he displayed some irrational behavior while taking command of the Enterprise, but in sacrificing himself and in a suicide shuttle run (while he STILL probably was a bit nutty), he gave Kirk & Spock the idea of how to save their own crew.

Same with Garth of Izar (not Garth of Izod, the clothing guy). IIRC, his previous achievements in Star Fleet made him one of Kirk's heroes. But something happened to him such that he had a breakdown (not sure if a cause was given onscreen for this). Following his craziness on screen (thanks to being back on his meds...) he actually seemed like he could be a decent man (if not a decent captain) again.

I would also have to vote for Harriman as worst captain, with a special vote for the various writers that thought that they had to create a weak, seemingly incompetent captain like Harriman to make Kirk & Co. look even better in comparison.

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Old September 8 2011, 06:29 PM   #24
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

Hard to really pass judgement on captains who appear in just one episode. We only see their worst side, none of their better sides.

If asking about which series captain was worst, I'd say Janeway. Archer wasn't all that great earlier on, but I didn't think he made as many command mistakes as Janeway. She was also inconsistent in her priorities. It took a while for Archer to gain his footing, but once he had it, I think he turned out alright.
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Old September 8 2011, 07:26 PM   #25
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I think Janeway in many ways...
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Old September 8 2011, 11:29 PM   #26
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erastus25 wrote: View Post
I'll also throw Garth of Izar into the mix.
LOOOORD GARTH!

Fantastic character and pre loonyness was Kirkesk in his awesomeness as a captain so no don't throw Garth of Izar in the mix.

Janeway.

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Old September 8 2011, 11:48 PM   #27
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

Harriman by a long-shot. His sheer incompetence had to be seen to be believed! As for Archer, there weren't any starship captains before him so it's not like there were any examples for what a starship captain was supposed to be like. Did Archer make mistakes along the way? You better believe it! However, I'm going to cut him some slack because he gave it his all. When it came down to the eleventh hour, Archer proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was fit to be Earth's first starship captain.
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Old September 9 2011, 03:01 AM   #28
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Re: The absolute worst captain in Star Trek

In his defense, Harriman was just getting started. His experience is negligible next to Captain Kirk. He wasn't even mentally prepared for going on missions yet--a majority of the ship was staffed with a training crew, raw cadets. Thus, I don't think it's fair to include him in this.
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Old September 9 2011, 02:05 PM   #29
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I don't know, NuKirk didn't have any prior experience either but he could captain circles around that failure Harriman.
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Old September 9 2011, 03:52 PM   #30
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My biggest problem with Harriman is the way he was written. It would have been far more satisfying to see a well trained, competent and vital officer need Kirk's help and advice than some noob who couldn't operate the head in his quarters without two cadets and an instruction tape! All this managed to do was make Star Fleet look ineffective and unprofessional. (I tell myself he was the yard captain who oversaw the building of the big E - (B) and Starfleet, for some undisclosed reason, allowed him to take her out of space dock for her trials.... I know. It still doesn't make any sense, but it lets me not cringe quite so forcefully......)
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