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Old September 8 2011, 05:37 AM   #241
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

Batgirl #1 was good. i was curious how they would pull it off and i'm curious to see where things are going. also, Babs is the only one for who the new armor look is logical.

Swamp Thing #1 was ok. i'll stick around for a few issues just to see how things progress.
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Old September 8 2011, 06:27 AM   #242
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I read Action Comics #1 and really liked it. I'll keep reading.
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Old September 8 2011, 06:31 AM   #243
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I absolutely LOVE Action Comics #1. It is funny that previous poster stated about it being Grant Morrison's Smallville because in the interview I posted last week he stated that he has never seen an episode of it but understood what they were doing so I'm not surprised this felt like that. The Lex Luthor in this is very interesting and totally reminds me of a young All-Star Superman Luthor!!! I seriously can't wait for more.

Also have read Detective Comics and I think it was scnj that posted about the cliffhanger...and wow...what an interesting new direction for the Joker. Daniels writing and dialogue was shit but that cliffhanger was enough to get me to continue reading to see it's resolution.


Really enjoyed Batgirl #1 as well. I am guessing that we will learn over the course of the first arc how Babs regained the use of her legs but I'm guessing it is through the use of advanced Wayne Tech such as nanobots or something.

Also most important question for those who read Justice League International...where is Skeets???!!!! I did notice Michael had on his Legion ring which I thought was a nice touch but where is the little guy? Nothing better have happened to him!
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Old September 8 2011, 01:56 PM   #244
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Some interesting comments from Yanick Paquette about his Swamp Thing run and issues connected to that:

Coming from a more European market, where people have a year to do a piece of art, sometimes I'm like, why do we have to go so fast? Or, why can we not discuss a project that is going to happen in two years so I will have the time to do it all? But that's not how the [American] market works. There is a polarity with comics, as compared to the European graphic novel, is that a comic is a literature form, an art form but also it is a magazine that must support ads. It's always the question of, "Do we satisfy the needs of the retailer and the folks that have a product to sell?"

They have the public; they need a product to sell. Or do we instead favor the long-term sale of the book, because all the great successes of the past five or six years are books that were notoriously late. Books like "Ultimates" and "All-Star Superman." You don't want to have "Ultimates" #9, drawn by some joker that we've never heard of. You want all of it being done by [Bryan] Hitch. And then you get a beautiful book. It's the same with [Frank] Quitely. You don't want Quitely not doing one of those issues. What's the point? Now, you have a beautiful book that can sell for 10, 14 million years. Just imagine "Watchmen" #3, because Gibbons was a bit late, was drawn by some dude in two weeks. You don't want that, but that's a long-term thing and the long-term is not always the agenda -- but I wish it would be, more often.
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Old September 8 2011, 02:30 PM   #245
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Ok, my gradings so far...

Justice League #1
I know a lot of people didn't particularly like this issue for one reason or another, but I thought it was ok. Jim Lee's art is beautiful as always, and I like the story setup. Sure, it was nothing revolutionary, but it was enjoyable enough. Grade: B

Action Comics #1
This was very good. Grant Morrison's Smallville complete with a nod to Remy Zero's "Somebody saaaaaaaaaaaaaave me!" after the opening gambit. Morales' art is great, the story is well paced, and I like the way they've started off limiting Superman's powers so he can grow and evolve over the course of the series. Grade: A

Detective Comics #1
Batman vs. The Joker. Nothing we haven't seen before, and nothing mindblowing, but still pretty solid none-the-less. Daniel's art is a lot better than his storytelling, but that's not to say his writing is bad, just not amazing. Bit of shock tactics for the final page, but I'm interested in seeing where they go with it. Grade: B+

Justice League International #1
I wasn't originally planning on getting this, but I saw it on the shelf and thought I'd give it a go. Not bad at all. The actual storyline didn't blow me away, but I kinda like the writing and the characters involved. Some funny lines in it, like Booster defending himself from being accused of selling adult diapers. I can see a nice dynamic building between Batman and Guy Gardener. I'll be sticking with it for the forseeable future. Grade: B
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Old September 8 2011, 02:30 PM   #246
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As a segue the only book I picked up was Swamp Thing #1 and I did enjoy it. This is clearly one of the books that has ties to the "old" DCU. A freak natural(?) event happens causing birds to drop from the sky, in Metropolis. Bats to drop dead in the Batcave and fish to go belly up in the Ocean. Little cameo by Batman and Aquaman in each panel.

Superman however has a role in the book and he seeks out Alec Holland who has gone on a sabbatical following his resurrection in Brightest Day. An even Superman alludes to when he says, "Considering the events of the last year with you" or something similar.

Further more Superman makes a statement that seems to imply he has died before as well.
Since I know we are loosely tracking what's new, old and retained thought some might like to see this.

Also, if your wondering, yes the lady in purple appears.
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Old September 8 2011, 02:48 PM   #247
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Those scans reminded me, what in God's name is ComiXology trying to do with the shading gradient thing toward the "center" of the "comic book"? That's missing the point, to say the least.

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I hated that line. Thought it was the most pretentious piece of dialogue in the issue. Horrid.
I know! It was delightful.

Anyway, I still think "Note to self, Batman: Green Lantern can handle anything." is worse/better, because it's both pretentious and syntactically wrong and factually incorrect.

That said, for the mythical new reader, I could see this being really, really obnoxious, should they not detect the joke.

As an aside, man, I would hate to have to color a Green Lantern book. MAKE IT SHINIER THAN THE AEGIS OF ZEUS!
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Old September 8 2011, 04:10 PM   #248
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Green Arrow #1.

If DC was going to make Green Arrow young like that, why did they use Oliver Queen? This book would kick ass with Connor Hawke.
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Old September 8 2011, 04:17 PM   #249
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For example, there's a reference to Superman breaking a wife-beater's ribs and hips by throwing him out a window, e.g. very severe, long-term debilitating injuries, which is a bit of a bridge too far into vengeance, punishment-for-punishment's sake, which has never been what Superman has been about...
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Old September 8 2011, 04:22 PM   #250
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I don't care about modern sensibilities. Superman throwing an abuser into (possibly through) a wall is all kinds of awesome.
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Old September 8 2011, 04:28 PM   #251
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Green Arrow reminded me a great deal of what "Smallville" did with him. The character of Naomi reminds me of Chloe Sullivan, and I agree with Allyn, this book would have been better with Connor not a redesigned, deaged Ollie.
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Old September 8 2011, 04:34 PM   #252
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Green Arrow #1.

If DC was going to make Green Arrow young like that, why did they use Oliver Queen? This book would kick ass with Connor Hawke.
Cause the guys in charge think if the character has a Silver Age component then we must use that as much as possible.

Silver Age Rules....or I'm convinced that's their mantra.
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Old September 8 2011, 04:34 PM   #253
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Just a comment on the Jim Lee character designs, specifically, the gauntlets. Does he own stock in it or something? They all seem to have segmented armor gauntlets. It's like there's only one store. It just makes everyone look sorta the same... which is a little boring.

I look forward to the costumes changing as time marches on.
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Old September 8 2011, 04:48 PM   #254
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For example, there's a reference to Superman breaking a wife-beater's ribs and hips by throwing him out a window, e.g. very severe, long-term debilitating injuries, which is a bit of a bridge too far into vengeance, punishment-for-punishment's sake, which has never been what Superman has been about...
Never..?
I got a comic where Superman throws Soviet aircraft carriers around for the pleasure of Ronald Reagan, too.
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Old September 8 2011, 05:07 PM   #255
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This tough new attitude and rebellious streak of Superman's is definitely going to take some getting used to, but so far I think I'm liking it. Also cool seeing him have to struggle a lot more with everything.

Story definitely could have been fleshed out a bit more though. Morrison rushed through it all so fast, that it took me a couple read-throughs to understand what all was going on with the train and the hijacker and Lex and the businessman.

Batgirl was good as well. Unlike others, I never got into the whole Birds of Prey and Oracle thing, so I was perfectly fine seeing her back as the original Batgirl.

My favorite was probably Detective though. For some reason I've always had trouble accepting The Joker as being truly dangerous, but this time the sheer and utter madness of the character really came through strong. And of course the art was absolutely fantastic.
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