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Old September 6 2011, 06:03 AM   #1
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Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

It seemed to me that Chakotay and janeway had a much better chemistry going on between them than him and seven. I just wonder why he chose her over janeway.
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Old September 6 2011, 06:04 AM   #2
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

Behind-the-scenes chest-thumping on the part of Robert Beltran, I'm told.

But I'm sure someone else can either back that up or prove it incorrect.
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Old September 6 2011, 06:15 AM   #3
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

^^

What Jeff said.
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Old September 6 2011, 06:17 AM   #4
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

Two reasons....



See them?
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Old September 6 2011, 07:30 AM   #5
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

Admiral Shran wrote: View Post
Two reasons....



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Lmao yeah my girlfriend told me he got with her cause she was better looking.
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Old September 6 2011, 08:28 AM   #6
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

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Behind-the-scenes chest-thumping on the part of Robert Beltran, I'm told.
I don't get how Beltran could have ever had that kind of pull. Frakking Harry Kim was more important to the show than Chakotay was.
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Old September 6 2011, 10:17 AM   #7
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

There was 'talk' of Robert Beltran being unhappy with how his character was underused on the show.
I don't know whether this is accurate or not, or how it translates into him having a relationship with 7.

There was a foreshadowing of this in 'Human-Error' though because 7 made a decision in the end to date Chakotay.
And the 'cargobay picnic' was apparently their 4th date.

So, they could have been dating for at least 2 to 4 weeks before Engdame commenced.
And when 7's cortical node experienced issues because of a too high emotional state, she said it would be inefficient to resume with the relationship (which she apparently decided to at least but on a back-burner).
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Old September 6 2011, 11:21 AM   #8
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

But even Jeri Ryan IIRC said that the C/7 thing came out of the blue. She had asked TPTB during Human Error and Natural Law if there was going to "be" something between C/7 and was assured the answer was "no".
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Old September 6 2011, 11:35 AM   #9
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

He was having a middle life crisis and decided to date the hot young chick - if the show had continued, he would have got an ear-ring, a pony-tail and a motorbike.

And let's face it, with those borg implants, Seven more than likely could suck like a hoover.
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Old September 6 2011, 02:08 PM   #10
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

Well he did a great job of leading her on for years hah
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Old September 6 2011, 04:39 PM   #11
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

They didn't know what to do with a plot that didn't have Seven in the lead--and even though the finale was obviously coming up that whole season, they couldn't decide who would die (because that is the new way to end all Trek series--hence Trip's death in the TNG conclusion of ENT).

At first, it was going to be Seven, for sure, but what a downer that would be. So, instead, they brought back Admiral Janeway for the Red Shirt Supreme--assimilated and killed, not a downer at all because we still have the captain carrying on for her.

However, Seven couldn't just sit around filing her nails, so what to do? Pair her up with Chuckles for some much-needed "romantic" action in what has to be one of the lamest B plots in history. Don't bother with any sort of build up for them as a couple or worry about a complete lack of previous chemistry between the two characters. The fact that it is the fourth date should erase four years of lukewarm friendship. Ignore the touching and very effective "Human Error" that finally made Seven a character one could feel sorry for because certain aspects of humanity were forever beyond her reach.

It's the finale, so who cares about continuity or whether this "romance" would screw up two characters as we knew them? The producers had moved on to a better, edgier ENT that would make VOY look like slop.

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Old September 6 2011, 07:56 PM   #12
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

^ I haven't finished watching ENT.
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Old September 6 2011, 08:17 PM   #13
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

They were struck on a planet together, alone, with no hope of getting off it. Chakotay built her a bathtub, cooked her dinner, and gave her backrubs. Janeway never stopped trying to get off the planet.

I think she made it pretty clear she didn't want anything to do with him romantically.
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Old September 6 2011, 08:44 PM   #14
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

Seven and the Doctor were the obvious choice. They had been developing that one from the beginning. They were at similar stages in their emotional development and the Doctor clearly had romantic feelings for her.

Similarly, Chakotay and Janeway were being developed to be a couple for years but trek doesn't like captains in committed relationships. The episode where the 2 were facing being stranded alone in a planet showed the attraction plainly.

Seven was hot but had the emotional level of a teenager. I don't think the relationship made sense to anyone but I don't think it was Beltran's decision but a production one. Fortunately the books tried to refocus on Chakotay/Janeway but they seemed to have forgotten about Doctor/Seven.
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Old September 6 2011, 09:33 PM   #15
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Re: Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

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They were struck on a planet together, alone, with no hope of getting off it. Chakotay built her a bathtub, cooked her dinner, and gave her backrubs. Janeway never stopped trying to get off the planet.

I think she made it pretty clear she didn't want anything to do with him romantically.
That's true. I didn't think about that one.
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