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Old September 2 2011, 04:07 PM   #91
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
I've just looked at that, too. I think it looks great - Morrison has really caught the tone of the earliest "Superman vs Corruption" stories in the 30s and 40s. (My favorite is the one where Superman traps a corrupt mine-owner in his own mine, convincing him to improve conditions ... I've taught a superhero course, and those early stories really shock students.)
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Old September 2 2011, 06:06 PM   #92
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
I'm the opposite.
I dont' even recognize the character I just saw in that 8 page preview. I've read Superman off/on since the 80's and picked my share of 60s/70s stories and that character was someone else wearing an homage Superman costume.

Pass. Probably even on the TPB.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:17 PM   #93
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
Well, on the plus side, any regrets I had about missing Morrison's sweet new take have been favorably resolved.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:18 PM   #94
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This is probably the closest Superman has been to his original incarnation in years. As someone who isn't a fan of uber zen Superman, I'm excited.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:20 PM   #95
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Morrison has talked about taking Superman back to his roots. I got that impression as well from book. I still like to keep in mind that we're basically going to be reading a retooling of what he would have done for his proposed Superman: Year One project which intended to be a prequel to "All Star Superman" only of course this is in the past of the relaunch continuity. Even prior to Justice League.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:32 PM   #96
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Admiral_Young wrote: View Post
Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
I've just looked at that, too. I think it looks great - Morrison has really caught the tone of the earliest "Superman vs Corruption" stories in the 30s and 40s. (My favorite is the one where Superman traps a corrupt mine-owner in his own mine, convincing him to improve conditions ... I've taught a superhero course, and those early stories really shock students.)
He stole that from Jim Kirk.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:35 PM   #97
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Re: DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

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Admiral_Young wrote: View Post
Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
I'm the opposite.
I dont' even recognize the character I just saw in that 8 page preview. I've read Superman off/on since the 80's and picked my share of 60s/70s stories and that character was someone else wearing an homage Superman costume.

Pass. Probably even on the TPB.
As mentioned, you'd have to read the Superman stories from the 30s and 40s to recognized this version. Its not only scraping off the barnacles, but a few coats of paint as well.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:40 PM   #98
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As I say, Morrison's early Superman looks entirely like the original Superman - anti-bully, vaguely socialist, sometimes a jerk. For me, it'll come down to whether Morrison's Superman becomes anything more than an uncanny mimicry.

But the preview put me into the purchase column for #1 at least, and I had intended to trade-wait.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:40 PM   #99
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Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
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Admiral_Young wrote: View Post
Preview for "Action Comics #1" with dialogue (as opposed to the just art previews we've been getting). Interesting to say the least:

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime....php?aid=44117
I'm the opposite.
I dont' even recognize the character I just saw in that 8 page preview. I've read Superman off/on since the 80's and picked my share of 60s/70s stories and that character was someone else wearing an homage Superman costume.

Pass. Probably even on the TPB.
As mentioned, you'd have to read the Superman stories from the 30s and 40s to recognized this version. Its not only scraping off the barnacles, but a few coats of paint as well.
Exactly so - the 60s is not nearly far enough back to go, to find this version of Superman. In fact I think this particular vignette is a pretty direct homage to one of Supes' earliest adventures.

I love what Morrison's doing here: how Clark started as an unruly young vigilante who had no particular regard for police and government authority where he saw them as corrupt or inept, and (so it's being said) how he becomes Superman as he's known today.

Wonder if he'll get a chance to take on some corrupt "defense contractors" and industrialists who are fucking up the developing world for money, before he settles down? That would be very traditional early Superman.

I'm sure we'll at least get to see Supes manhandle some guy for beating his girlfriend or spouse.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:44 PM   #100
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Grant Morrison writing Superman is pretty much an automatic win. I can't think of another writer who actually makes me excited to read a Superman comic - generally he is pretty boring on the comic page.

All Star Superman is still my favorite Superman comic story ever.

I just read the preview and I LOVE IT!
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Old September 2 2011, 06:45 PM   #101
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Can't say I was that impressed with the first issue of Justice League. It seems like they were trying to fuse Green Lantern with some of that fun Ryan Reynolds attitude, but it just came off as annoying.

And while I usually love Lee's art, most of the panels in this issue were so crowded with detail (and photoshopped effects) that it was often hard to follow what the hell was going on. Story seemed awfully choppy too.

I'm not one of these 52 naysayers, and still approve of the overall reboot idea. But this particular issue didn't do anything for me.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:47 PM   #102
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Strikes me as an implausible development, unless there's a seriously convincing middle part between "violent firebrand with godlike powers" and "mature, gentle, Jesus-like adult with godlike powers" that they've come up with. And the reason I find that implausible is because the godlike powers part makes any sort of personal growth hard when you don't have any respect for human institutions in the first place.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:47 PM   #103
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I love what Morrison's doing here: how Clark started as an unruly young vigilante who had no particular regard for police and government authority where he saw them as corrupt or inept, and (so it's being said) how he becomes Superman as he's known today.
Actually I hope that's the kind of angle the new movie takes as well. Sounds really cool.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:50 PM   #104
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And the reason I find that implausible is because the godlike powers part makes any sort of personal growth hard when you don't have any respect for human institutions in the first place.
Why, because with "god-like powers" one can't be broken under the yoke of one's limitations and the power of those institutions to reign people in? That's a pretty dismal take on how and why people mature in their outlooks.

I'd think that one thing Clark's got to realize as he becomes even more powerful (he can't fly yet) is that while he cannot change the world to suit his concept of a just society without actually ruling us, there are things he can do to protect people and the planet in ways that no one else can - and that he's hampered in doing that by escalating conflict between himself and human authority.
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Old September 2 2011, 06:51 PM   #105
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I love that Superman is just taking ACTION against this corrupt bastard, and no hand wringing or moralizing over whether to do it. I imagine Superman will mellow out a bit as we move closer to "present day" but still, it's great to see a Superman with actual personality.
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