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Old August 21 2011, 10:11 PM   #16
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Re: Could a Lost Era set between 2161 and 2265 work?

^Besides, a "Lost Era" designation implies something more standalone and unconventional than "more Pike stuff," something that doesn't really fit into any pre-existing series.
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Old August 24 2011, 02:04 AM   #17
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Re: Could a Lost Era set between 2161 and 2265 work?

I would be jazzed to see Trek Lit. cover this period. There is so much material to mine, perhaps most important is the creation of the Federation. We got a little of that in Starfleet Year One, but that was invalidated from a canon standpoint due to Enterprise. I would like to see a series set within the current Trek Lit. continuity. Not only could we get more of Archer, April, Pike, Prime Universe Robau, but other captains, ships, and characters as well. This area is definitely ripe for exploration.
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Old August 24 2011, 02:19 AM   #18
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I would be jazzed to see Trek Lit. cover this period. There is so much material to mine, perhaps most important is the creation of the Federation.
Not just its creation, but its growth and evolution!
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Old August 24 2011, 02:46 AM   #19
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Re: Could a Lost Era set between 2161 and 2265 work?

I would love to see some story on the XCV-330 Ent. It was mentioned in Indistinguishable From Magic if I remember correctly. Perhaps Diane Carey could use her knack for sailing ship writing to give it a retro and rugid feel. I would love to see such a book written like a Tony Horwitz novel: follow the voyage, then review its impact on the modern UFP.
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Old August 24 2011, 03:00 AM   #20
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I would love to see some story on the XCV-330 Ent. It was mentioned in Indistinguishable From Magic if I remember correctly.
It was mentioned in Watching the Clock. I'm not sure if it got mentioned in IFM too.
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Old August 24 2011, 02:44 PM   #21
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Re: Could a Lost Era set between 2161 and 2265 work?

I don't agree with the 2254 cut-off. It's not like Enterprise is the only ship that would be active in that era. Like Deny Thy Father or Catalyst of Sorrows, a novel could tell of the pre-Enterprise careers of any of the rest of the TOS cast (Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, etc.) Or maybe the Constellation or Lovell or something.
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Old August 24 2011, 02:56 PM   #22
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^Well, sure, and there were other ships active during TNG too. But any cutoff date is gonna be arbitrary. The definition of The Lost Era as 2293-2364 was based on the endpoint of one major ST series (the TOS portion of Generations) and the starting point of the next ("Encounter at Farpoint"). So if we're positing another "Lost Era" by analogy with how the first one was defined, then it follows that we're talking about stuff between the onscreen endpoint of Enterprise and the starting point of TOS. So the question is, should the starting point of TOS be defined as "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before"? I think that "Pike's Enterprise" has been well enough represented in the literature already as to constitute its own subseries, rather than just a part of a "Lost Era" series.

But then again, now that I write that out, I can see the counterargument: Stargazer took place during the Lost Era, but was still counted as a distinct series. So maybe Pike-era fiction is analogous with Stargazer fiction, in which case it could still be valid to define "Where No Man" as the endpoint for this "other Lost Era." So maybe you're right.
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Old August 24 2011, 03:15 PM   #23
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Re: Could a Lost Era set between 2161 and 2265 work?

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I would love to see some story on the XCV-330 Ent. It was mentioned in Indistinguishable From Magic if I remember correctly.
It was mentioned in Watching the Clock. I'm not sure if it got mentioned in IFM too.

That's right! Sorry, you deserve credit for that mentioning. I remembered it was in a recent book and thoroughly enjoyed the reference.
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Old August 24 2011, 04:11 PM   #24
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i'd be happy to try anything that sounded interesting in either the Post-ENT pre-TOS era or even in the TOS era with other crews, such as but not limited to:

USS Defiant

USS Endeavour (seperate from Vanguard)

USS Constellation

USS Exeter

USS Excalibur

SCE with the Lovell

Reyes' early career (NO VANGUARD SPOILERS, I'm reading Declassified now)

early years of other VGD characters

something of Sarek's early life maybe.

April's career pre-Enterprise.

i'm sure there's plenty more...
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Old August 24 2011, 04:44 PM   #25
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Sarek's early life (from Sybok's mother to his marriage to Amanda, at least) was covered in the novel (....wait for it...!) Sarek.
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Old August 24 2011, 08:38 PM   #26
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i know, but it did skip about a bit. and IIRC, it was mostly his private life, a bit more of his professional life and the early Federation building could be good.
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Old August 24 2011, 08:55 PM   #27
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I would love to see some story on the XCV-330 Ent. It was mentioned in Indistinguishable From Magic if I remember correctly.
It was mentioned in Watching the Clock. I'm not sure if it got mentioned in IFM too.
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Old August 24 2011, 09:16 PM   #28
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Sarek's early life (from Sybok's mother to his marriage to Amanda, at least) was covered in the novel (....wait for it...!) Sarek.
Do we know what year Sarek was born? I was just curious if he would have been alive yet as during Enterprise.
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Old August 24 2011, 10:49 PM   #29
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Sarek's early life (from Sybok's mother to his marriage to Amanda, at least) was covered in the novel (....wait for it...!) Sarek.
Do we know what year Sarek was born? I was just curious if he would have been alive yet as during Enterprise.
Based on the age he said in Journey to Babel, he was born in 2165. So unfortunately no.
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Old August 25 2011, 12:15 AM   #30
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But Sarek's father Skon would've been around during the ENT era. Skon was included in the Romulan War-era Tobin story in The Lives of Dax, though that story is inconsistent with what ENT later established about the era.

And ENT: "The Catwalk" established that Solkar, Sarek's grandfather according to ST III, was Vulcan's first ambassador to Earth (and thus might've been the Vulcan who met Zefram Cochrane at the end of First Contact).
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