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Old August 17 2011, 10:22 PM   #61
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I believe the contributors here who testify they heard her say it was a phone call. That's not hearsay. They are witnesses of an event (her speaking).

I am far more skeptical of "I read it somewhere that she said x or y." I read lots, as do most of all y'all, and I know how things I read get mushed and jumbled around in my brain after awhile.
I have to stand up for Mr. Homm's posts...despite the fact that he challenged my and others' memories from almost 30 years ago! Cheers to you, Mr. Homm. You're entirely right. We can't rely on human memory, regardless of whether we're remembering something we heard, saw, or read. The human mind is faulty. I was sober at the con when I first heard her tell the story, but maybe I've got the facts jumbled up with other things I've heard or read since then. So, we do need to find some archival evidence.

In addition to tracking down whether or not the NAACP event occurred, it would be nice if somebody could dig up a published interview from Nichols where the story was different then than it is now.

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Why thank you Doug. I didn't want to come off as some sort of obsessed Nichelle Nichols apologist. She's just an actress to me, and although she was lovely on the show, she wasn't really all that integral to the show's success. I just wanted to promote objectivity. I agree human memory is very faulty, and that's why eye-witness testimonies carry very little weight in the court of law.

CorporalCaptain said that people have been working on digging up information, but apparently without much success, due to the difficulty of tracking down pre-internet sources. So it may take some time, but I'd bet that one way or another, the indisputable facts will come out.
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Old August 18 2011, 12:43 AM   #62
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Let's try something simple. Does anyone have Shatner's Star Trek Memories books, and is there an index? Is that story in there someplace?
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Old August 18 2011, 01:29 AM   #63
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Shatner's book is a relatively recent account, so he only quotes Nichelle's "MLK told me to stay" version.

Maybe an old back issue of "Ebony" could solve this...
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Old August 18 2011, 04:16 AM   #64
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Here is a telling of the story from this year: http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ni...2bp1aSXToNt2uA.
Now he was her biggest fan?
One thing for sure: there were no "trekkies" in 1966.
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Old August 18 2011, 04:18 AM   #65
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... although she was lovely on the show...
Still is.
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Old August 18 2011, 08:28 AM   #66
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Shatner's book is a relatively recent account, so he only quotes Nichelle's "MLK told me to stay" version.
The book was published 17 years ago, so that's not "recent", now if anyone can confirm that the story is in there and what version it was, it sets a minimum baseline, meaning you'd have to seek interviews prior to 1994. That's what I'm trying to establish: how far back can we document the "met MLK version".
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Old August 18 2011, 08:40 AM   #67
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What about Nichols' own autobiography? That was also published in 1994.
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Old August 18 2011, 10:46 AM   #68
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Nichols recollects that during a promotional trip to Memphis, an assistant told her that a fan wanted to meet her.
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The chance encounter occurred at an NAACP fund-raiser held the day after Nichols…turned in her resignation.
Times Daily/Friday, Dec. 13, 1996

At one of her regular meetings with with civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. -- she helped at fund raisers and he was her mentor--she told him she was thinking of quitting.
Anchorage Daily News - Aug 17, 1989, p. 21

"[MLK] was a close friend, and he happened to be a big Star Trek fan," she says…
The Afro American, Dec. 8, 1979

Did some searching via Google News and Archives and hit the stories above. They're not consistent in their details ("chance encounter" vs. "regular meetings"), but they do all claim she met him, going back to at least 1979. If there are indeed printed stories in which she says it was a phone call or something else, I suspect it'd be pre-TMP.
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Old August 18 2011, 11:02 AM   #69
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Good finds.

I must say that the variation in the details is consistent with there having been embellishment, but on the other hand one of those versions could be the literal truth.
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Old August 18 2011, 05:42 PM   #70
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Note that in the '79 version, there isn't even a mention of her wanting to quit, or MLK talking her out of it.
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Old August 18 2011, 07:01 PM   #71
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The chance encounter occurred at an NAACP fund-raiser held the day after Nichols…turned in her resignation.
Wasn't she a dayplayer? Why would she hand in her resignation, she never had a contract. What's the point in resigning and ensuring they never ask you back, when she could have been unavailable for as many episodes as she liked. The producers might have decided to get rid of the character, but maybe she could have returned to the show later.
She had no obligations to Star Trek, she could try to get every job she wanted and if it had worked out she could have left the show without further notice.

I don't know and don't care if she met MLK or not, but I don't truly believe that she wanted to quit in the first place, she may have dreamed about getting storylines or finding a better job, but it makes almost no sense that she thought NOT making money while she pursued other opportunities was better than making money and having regular appearances on a network show on her resume while she's doing it.
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Old August 18 2011, 07:13 PM   #72
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According to Nichols in her autobiography, Roddenberry wouldn't let her out of her commitment to Star Trek in order to play a key role on Mannix. I don't have the book on hand, though, so someone else would have to check the details.

Another book -- I believe it's Inside Star Trek: The Real Story -- says Nichols was paid so little per episode that she had a "no quote" agreement, meaning that she was paid so little the production company agreed not to publicize the amount. That in mind, I see no reason why she wouldn't want to go on to greener pastures.
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Old August 18 2011, 08:39 PM   #73
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Nichols recollects that during a promotional trip to Memphis, an assistant told her that a fan wanted to meet her.
Listverse: 10 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Star Trek

The chance encounter occurred at an NAACP fund-raiser held the day after Nichols…turned in her resignation.
Times Daily/Friday, Dec. 13, 1996

At one of her regular meetings with with civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. -- she helped at fund raisers and he was her mentor--she told him she was thinking of quitting.
Anchorage Daily News - Aug 17, 1989, p. 21

"[MLK] was a close friend, and he happened to be a big Star Trek fan," she says…
The Afro American, Dec. 8, 1979

Did some searching via Google News and Archives and hit the stories above. They're not consistent in their details ("chance encounter" vs. "regular meetings"), but they do all claim she met him, going back to at least 1979. If there are indeed printed stories in which she says it was a phone call or something else, I suspect it'd be pre-TMP.
Well done! Thanks for the research. However, the Afro American interview from 1979 doesn't state that MLK told her face-to-face. All we know from that interview is that he "told" her. I guess we can assume, because she claimed he was "a close friend," that the conversation was in person.

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Old August 18 2011, 08:41 PM   #74
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What about Nichols' own autobiography? That was also published in 1994.
On pp. 164-165 of the hardcover version, she claimed it was at the NAACP event.

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Old August 18 2011, 08:42 PM   #75
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Shatner's book is a relatively recent account, so he only quotes Nichelle's "MLK told me to stay" version.
The book was published 17 years ago, so that's not "recent", now if anyone can confirm that the story is in there and what version it was, it sets a minimum baseline, meaning you'd have to seek interviews prior to 1994. That's what I'm trying to establish: how far back can we document the "met MLK version".
I have the original hardcover, and it's not indexed. I'll flip through it and see if I can find anything.

Edit: Found it!

On pp. 212-214, she recounts the NAACP story, where someone tapped her shoulder and said a fan wanted to meet her...etc. I think this is just like the 2011 story.

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