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View Poll Results: Rate DTI: Watching The Clock
Outstanding 92 58.60%
Above Average 43 27.39%
Average 13 8.28%
Below Average 3 1.91%
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Old August 16 2011, 07:43 PM   #391
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Should i watch every time travel episode and movie for the book?
Of course not...
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Old August 16 2011, 09:28 PM   #392
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Any chance we might see some of the temporal agencies used by the other powers? I smiled when I read about the Temporal Assessment Group being mentioned since I really liked the LUG "All Our Yesterdays" Sourcebook. That combined with the Chronological Defense Corps was fascinating to me about competing agencies over time travel.
Forgotten History's set too early for that.


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Should i watch every time travel episode and movie for the book?
Only if you really, really want to. Everything you need to know to follow the story is explained in the book. As a rule, you can assume that's always the case. It's not like we're deliberately trying to confuse or exclude our readers.
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Old August 18 2011, 08:52 AM   #393
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is Forgotten History your pitch or the editors?
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Old August 18 2011, 01:36 PM   #394
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is Forgotten History your pitch or the editors?
My editor suggested doing a TOS/DTI crossover, and then I figured out the rest.
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Old August 18 2011, 07:03 PM   #395
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Any chance we might see some of the temporal agencies used by the other powers? I smiled when I read about the Temporal Assessment Group being mentioned since I really liked the LUG "All Our Yesterdays" Sourcebook. That combined with the Chronological Defense Corps was fascinating to me about competing agencies over time travel.
Forgotten History's set too early for that.
um, time travel...
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Old August 18 2011, 07:35 PM   #396
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Any chance we might see some of the temporal agencies used by the other powers? I smiled when I read about the Temporal Assessment Group being mentioned since I really liked the LUG "All Our Yesterdays" Sourcebook. That combined with the Chronological Defense Corps was fascinating to me about competing agencies over time travel.
Forgotten History's set too early for that.
um, time travel...
It's a predestination paradox!
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Old August 20 2011, 11:03 PM   #397
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Christopher i wonder if the DTI is worried about the Q.

Do they have an agreement with them?
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Old August 20 2011, 11:13 PM   #398
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My review was put online earlier this week at Unreality SF.

Short Version: A better than expected, decent novel.
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Old August 21 2011, 12:40 AM   #399
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Christopher i wonder if the DTI is worried about the Q.

Do they have an agreement with them?
The DTI are worried about a lot of civilizations and entities that they have no influence over. It's a big universe, and the timeline could be altered at any moment by someone halfway across the galaxy, and the DTI would be able to do nothing about it. The Q are just one part of that overall problem. That's one of the realities that makes the DTI's work so maddening, as the novel discusses. To paraphrase Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart, they simply do the best they can.
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Old August 21 2011, 02:06 AM   #400
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Christopher, I just wanted to chime in and say something:

My best friend is a young woman from Chicago. She's in grad school and came to D.C. for the summer for an internship her program requires. Since I was already here, she has spent the summer renting a room in the same house in which I rent.

I thought that this neighborhood was really nice and safe; nothing had ever happened to me. But since my friend moved here, she's opened my eyes to some male privilege I had: Almost every day she walks home from the metro station to the house, she's hounded by men who sexually harass her. They yell at her, call her names, solicit her for sex, insult her if she refuses, and even sometimes try to talk her to getting into their cars. Complete strangers, harassing her for having the audacity to walk down a street while being female. Because of this, we've taken to having me walk with her from the metro station every night when she gets home from her internship if I'm available (which I usually am, since I get off work before she does).

So I was looking at Watching the Clock again (I've started it but haven't finished it), and a small detail stuck out at me:

Clare Raymond, thinking to herself about how much life has changed on 24th Century Earth since the 190s, musing to herself that she or any other woman can now walk down the streets of any city on Earth late at night, alone, knowing that they're safe.

After having seen the kinds of humiliation and harassment my best friend has suffered in this area just because she happens to be a woman, I've got to say: Thank you.

It's a small detail in your book, but the idea is incredibly meaningful to me.
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Old August 21 2011, 04:34 AM   #401
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Christopher, I just wanted to chime in and say something:

My best friend is a young woman from Chicago. She's in grad school and came to D.C. for the summer for an internship her program requires. Since I was already here, she has spent the summer renting a room in the same house in which I rent.

I thought that this neighborhood was really nice and safe; nothing had ever happened to me. But since my friend moved here, she's opened my eyes to some male privilege I had: Almost every day she walks home from the metro station to the house, she's hounded by men who sexually harass her. They yell at her, call her names, solicit her for sex, insult her if she refuses, and even sometimes try to talk her to getting into their cars. Complete strangers, harassing her for having the audacity to walk down a street while being female. Because of this, we've taken to having me walk with her from the metro station every night when she gets home from her internship if I'm available (which I usually am, since I get off work before she does).

So I was looking at Watching the Clock again (I've started it but haven't finished it), and a small detail stuck out at me:

Clare Raymond, thinking to herself about how much life has changed on 24th Century Earth since the 190s, musing to herself that she or any other woman can now walk down the streets of any city on Earth late at night, alone, knowing that they're safe.

After having seen the kinds of humiliation and harassment my best friend has suffered in this area just because she happens to be a woman, I've got to say: Thank you.

It's a small detail in your book, but the idea is incredibly meaningful to me.
Isnt that the very idea of the Federation, at its heart?
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Old August 21 2011, 05:37 AM   #402
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Christopher, I just wanted to chime in and say something:

My best friend is a young woman from Chicago. She's in grad school and came to D.C. for the summer for an internship her program requires. Since I was already here, she has spent the summer renting a room in the same house in which I rent.

I thought that this neighborhood was really nice and safe; nothing had ever happened to me. But since my friend moved here, she's opened my eyes to some male privilege I had: Almost every day she walks home from the metro station to the house, she's hounded by men who sexually harass her. They yell at her, call her names, solicit her for sex, insult her if she refuses, and even sometimes try to talk her to getting into their cars. Complete strangers, harassing her for having the audacity to walk down a street while being female. Because of this, we've taken to having me walk with her from the metro station every night when she gets home from her internship if I'm available (which I usually am, since I get off work before she does).

So I was looking at Watching the Clock again (I've started it but haven't finished it), and a small detail stuck out at me:

Clare Raymond, thinking to herself about how much life has changed on 24th Century Earth since the 190s, musing to herself that she or any other woman can now walk down the streets of any city on Earth late at night, alone, knowing that they're safe.

After having seen the kinds of humiliation and harassment my best friend has suffered in this area just because she happens to be a woman, I've got to say: Thank you.

It's a small detail in your book, but the idea is incredibly meaningful to me.
Isnt that the very idea of the Federation, at its heart?
Certainly! And it's wonderful to see these basic ideas re-affirmed and to see how these ideas would practically manifest. Such as, for instance, a woman being able to walk the streets alone at night without fear.
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Old August 21 2011, 01:31 PM   #403
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...So I was looking at Watching the Clock again (I've started it but haven't finished it), and a small detail stuck out at me:

Clare Raymond, thinking to herself about how much life has changed on 24th Century Earth since the 190s, musing to herself that she or any other woman can now walk down the streets of any city on Earth late at night, alone, knowing that they're safe.

After having seen the kinds of humiliation and harassment my best friend has suffered in this area just because she happens to be a woman, I've got to say: Thank you.

It's a small detail in your book, but the idea is incredibly meaningful to me.
I appreciate the thought. It is easy to forget, if one is a man, the everyday fears women still have to deal with in our society. That's why it's so important for men to have female friends, so we don't remain blind to that perspective (and thus don't become part of the problem). That particular line wasn't something I gave a lot of thought to; it just struck me as one of the things that would undoubtedly be better in the utopian future of Star Trek. But it would be something that would stand out in the awareness of a 20th-century woman transported into that time.
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Old August 21 2011, 06:31 PM   #404
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I had a chance to re-read this Christopher and I think DTI is perhaps your best written book. I know it is now my new favourite after Ex Machina. I also forgot to mention that I absolutely loved the character of Teresa.
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