Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, DVD - Page 21

Skywalker · August 2 2011, 07:46 PM

That's probably why they cut it.

Captain Craig · August 2 2011, 09:59 PM

So it took 20 pages to get that ellusive fly-by-the thread poster who grades it an 'F'.
I've been watching that and sure enough no comments or owning up to the 'F' with any comments of substance.
Actually impressed it took 20 pages for that to happen.

davejames · August 3 2011, 12:15 AM

I thought we used to be able to click on the poll and see who voted for what? Guess that must be a different forum I'm thinking of.

DWF · August 3 2011, 12:21 AM

davejames wrote:

I thought we used to be able to click on the poll and see who voted for what? Guess that must be a different forum I'm thinking of.

I think it depends on how you set up the poll.

Captain Craig · August 3 2011, 01:39 PM

Yeah, there is an option that allows it.
Some people don't like it, probably the fly by 'F' voters.
My next poll is going to be viewable, just telling everyone now.

Skywalker · August 3 2011, 02:57 PM

So, we know that after Joss Whedon was hired to direct The Avengers, he went in and made some changes/additions to the Captain America script. Did anyone else get a Whedon vibe off of the movie's ending? That just really sounded like something Whedon would have written, at least to me.

Servo · August 3 2011, 05:15 PM

Went to see it in 3D today, and thought it was fantastic. It's a film with a lot of heart, but it manages to avoid alienating non-Americans by not overdoing the patriotism. Evans is pitch perfect in the role, and his final line to Fury about having a date was about as perfectly in character as it gets. Sterling performances from pretty much everyone involved, and the story was spot on.

The after credit scene was a nice touch, and the teaser for The Avengers that followed it got me nicely psyched for that film, so I can't bloody wait for next summer.

I also got to see trailers for Skyrim and Battlefield 3 that I hadn't seen before, so that was cool.

Off topic, but after seeing the trailer, this Super 8 film comes across like an American remake of Attack the Block.

Agenda · August 3 2011, 05:42 PM

I thought the movie would have had a bit more gravitas if they'd stuck with the Nazis. I thought the Hydra troops were a little too comic booky. Yes, it's a comic book movie, but the original Captain America comic books also had Nazis. Nazis are easier to hate than fictional villains in fictional stormtrooper gear.

Set Harth · August 3 2011, 06:20 PM

Sometimes the block should be attacked.

davejames · August 3 2011, 06:27 PM

Beyond Antares wrote:

I thought the movie would have had a bit more gravitas if they'd stuck with the Nazis. I thought the Hydra troops were a little too comic booky. Yes, it's a comic book movie, but the original Captain America comic books also had Nazis. Nazis are easier to hate than fictional villains in fictional stormtrooper gear.

I didn't mind the Hydra troops, but it would have been cool to see a mix of Nazis in there as well. Or at last have his first mission be against the Nazis.

Anwar · August 3 2011, 06:36 PM

But it would've been really offensive to have it seem like Cap played a big part in the war on the Axis instead of the normal soldiers. Having him fight a group like HYDRA (who WERE all Nazis until they broke away) keeps the potential offensiveness down.

Star Wolf · August 3 2011, 06:37 PM

davejames wrote:

Beyond Antares wrote:

I thought the movie would have had a bit more gravitas if they'd stuck with the Nazis. I thought the Hydra troops were a little too comic booky. Yes, it's a comic book movie, but the original Captain America comic books also had Nazis. Nazis are easier to hate than fictional villains in fictional stormtrooper gear.

I didn't mind the Hydra troops, but it would have been cool to see a mix of Nazis in there as well. Or at last have his first mission be against the Nazis.

I don't think the Strategic Scientific Reserve ever caught on to the fact that Hydra was assassinating Inspectors General from the SS. In their minds they were fighting Nazis. Did we have to see a dead SS troop in the mix along with faceless storm troopers to make the movie stronger?

I am on record already for saying that a segregated USO show would have done more to make it stronger.

Agenda · August 3 2011, 06:42 PM

Anwar wrote:

But it would've been really offensive to have it seem like Cap played a big part in the war on the Axis instead of the normal soldiers. Having him fight a group like HYDRA (who WERE all Nazis until they broke away) keeps the potential offensiveness down.

But it's not like Captain America is Superman. He could not possibly do it all. I think the audience would understand that. And I do get that Hydra broke away from the Nazis, it's just that they didn't look like Nazis. And quite frankly, I thought their costumes and gear were a tad over the top. It's like I was watching a cartoonish version of WWII.

Star Wolf · August 3 2011, 06:47 PM

Beyond Antares wrote:

Anwar wrote:

But it would've been really offensive to have it seem like Cap played a big part in the war on the Axis instead of the normal soldiers. Having him fight a group like HYDRA (who WERE all Nazis until they broke away) keeps the potential offensiveness down.

But it's not like Captain America is Superman. He could not possibly do it all. I think the audience would understand that. And I do get that Hydra broke away from the Nazis, it's just that they didn't look like Nazis. And quite frankly, I thought their costumes and gear were a tad over the top. It's like I was watching a cartoonish version of WWII.

Well it was a cartoon version judging by the Hydra supertank used in Norway. I think they dialed it back with the light armor at the labor/POW camp

Skywalker · August 3 2011, 06:47 PM

HYDRA have been Cap's primary antagonists for a very long time. Of course they were going to be the villains in a movie.

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August 2 2011, 07:46 PM	#301
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, That's probably why they cut it.

August 2 2011, 09:59 PM	#302
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, So it took 20 pages to get that ellusive fly-by-the thread poster who grades it an 'F'. I've been watching that and sure enough no comments or owning up to the 'F' with any comments of substance. Actually impressed it took 20 pages for that to happen. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

August 3 2011, 12:15 AM	#303
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, I thought we used to be able to click on the poll and see who voted for what? Guess that must be a different forum I'm thinking of.

August 3 2011, 01:39 PM	#305
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, Yeah, there is an option that allows it. Some people don't like it, probably the fly by 'F' voters. My next poll is going to be viewable, just telling everyone now. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

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August 3 2011, 02:57 PM	#306
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, So, we know that after Joss Whedon was hired to direct The Avengers, he went in and made some changes/additions to the Captain America script. Did anyone else get a Whedon vibe off of the movie's ending? That just really sounded like something Whedon would have written, at least to me.

August 3 2011, 05:15 PM	#307
Servo Rear Admiral Location: Manchester, England	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, Went to see it in 3D today, and thought it was fantastic. It's a film with a lot of heart, but it manages to avoid alienating non-Americans by not overdoing the patriotism. Evans is pitch perfect in the role, and his final line to Fury about having a date was about as perfectly in character as it gets. Sterling performances from pretty much everyone involved, and the story was spot on. The after credit scene was a nice touch, and the teaser for The Avengers that followed it got me nicely psyched for that film, so I can't bloody wait for next summer. I also got to see trailers for Skyrim and Battlefield 3 that I hadn't seen before, so that was cool. Off topic, but after seeing the trailer, this Super 8 film comes across like an American remake of Attack the Block. __________________ *"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend... and you've never watched Star Trek? Good Lord..."* Currently Playing: DC Universe Online & DUST 514

August 3 2011, 05:42 PM	#308
Agenda Fleet Captain	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, I thought the movie would have had a bit more gravitas if they'd stuck with the Nazis. I thought the Hydra troops were a little too comic booky. Yes, it's a comic book movie, but the original Captain America comic books also had Nazis. Nazis are easier to hate than fictional villains in fictional stormtrooper gear.

August 3 2011, 06:20 PM	#309
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, Sometimes the block should be attacked. __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

August 3 2011, 06:36 PM	#311
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, But it would've been really offensive to have it seem like Cap played a big part in the war on the Axis instead of the normal soldiers. Having him fight a group like HYDRA (who WERE all Nazis until they broke away) keeps the potential offensiveness down.

August 3 2011, 06:47 PM	#315
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, HYDRA have been Cap's primary antagonists for a very long time. Of course they were going to be the villains in a movie.