AVENGERS - movie Discussion, News, Interviews, Pics till release 2012

[Agenda]

No one said she's unattractive. I just don't think she's the great beauty everyone says she is.

[24thcenstfan]

I'm excited about Thor being included.

[Set Harth]

jep316 wrote:

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which got me wishing there could be a scene with Paltrow's Potts,Nataile Portmans Jane Foster and Liv Tylers Betty Ross where they "compare notes"

[Nerys Myk]

Set Harth wrote:

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And by "compare notes" he means pillow fight in their nighties.

[jep316]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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And by "compare notes" he means pillow fight
in their nighties.

Well not at first but now I think I like your ideal better.

[Set Harth]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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And by "compare notes" he means pillow fight in their nighties.

Yeah, that's what I meant...

[Python Trek]

StarTrek1701 wrote:

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Excluding Ant-Man wouldn't mean squat to even the most hardcore fans. They may have brought it up but that doesnt mean any fan is gonna boycott the movie because Ant-Man isnt in it.

Thank you SOOOOO much for speaking for me. I feel like a sock puppet with a hand up my ass.

Seriously, though.....Pym is a founder and has been a cornerstone member of nearly every incarnation of the Avengers. To suggest that NOBODY cares about him simply because YOU don't care about him is arrogant and silly.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Ultramann wrote:

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No, what is important is a good story and faithfulness to the original material. Worrying about gender balance or ethnic balance or "power balance" sounds like that political correctness crap that is ruining this country.

It's all important. Complaints about "political correctness" are always red herrings.

[Admiral_Young]

I'm sure you guys will dig this:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=80592

As the article states it will be included with the "Thor" DVD.

[Turtletrekker]

^Oops! I just posted that in the Coulson TV series thread.

[InklingStar]

Dennis wrote:

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It's all important. Complaints about "political correctness" are always red herrings.

Whether you call it a red herring or not, if filmmakers focus more on making sure there are equal amounts of men and women or people of various ethnicities in a story, rather than the story itself or faithfulness to the source text it is a problem in my opinion. I am glad Peter Jackson is staying fairly faithful to Tolkien's text for The Hobbit rather than making seven of the dwarves female in order to provide balance. I like what I have seen of the Avengers project so far and I trust Joss Whedon will not feel the need to go the Buffy or River route and make Black Widow smarter, wittier, and physically stronger than the other guys just to provide "balance".

[Agenda]

InklingStar wrote:

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I am glad Peter Jackson is staying fairly faithful to Tolkien's text for The Hobbit rather than making seven of the dwarves female in order to provide balance.

OMG, purists are upset enough about the length of the beards. I can just imagine...

[Admiral Buzzkill]

InklingStar wrote:

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Whether you call it a red herring or not, if filmmakers focus more on making sure there are equal amounts of men and women or people of various ethnicities in a story, rather than the story itself or faithfulness to the source text it is a problem in my opinion. I am glad Peter Jackson is staying fairly faithful to Tolkien's text for The Hobbit rather than making seven of the dwarves female in order to provide balance. I like what I have seen of the Avengers project so far and I trust Joss Whedon will not feel the need to go the Buffy or River route and make Black Widow smarter, wittier, and physically stronger than the other guys just to provide "balance".

It's a red herring because it's a false dichotomy - filmmakers don't do it instead of making good movies, and casting non-whites or women in any role has never actually done damage in and of itself to a single film or tv show or play. When you scratch the surface of arguments against it, you always run quickly into nothing more substantial than reflexive narrow mindedness at best and often outright bigotry masquerading as demands for "faithfulness."

It's a fabricated issue - a problem that doesn't actually exist outside of the context of a conversation in which it's being complained about. Most objections to "political correctness" are simply unwillingness to be required to treat people with courtesy and respect.

I mean, here the knock against the movie is that the director might give Scarlett Johannson a more entertaining, sharper character to play than a comic book writer assigned to a minor character decades ago? Quelle horreur - but it won't cost the studio a single ticket sold to anyone other than a few politically-motivated head counters, easily made up by improving the movie for the vast majority who don't obsess about such things.

[Captaindemotion]

^ Hear, hear, Dennis

This isn't really Avengers related, but since we have talked about Spider-man being in the team, I thought I'd put it in. Kevin Feige has said that even if Marvel regained the rights to the webslinger, he wouldn't be hanging around in Avengers HQ any time soon:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/28...-spinning-solo

"No. I think obviously in the comics, the team-ups and mix-ups have kept publishing going for many years. But Spider-Man has a huge universe of its own, so many villains, foes and friends "¦ It's not something we're thinking about because we have so much more to tell."

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, with characters like Batman or Spider-Man or Superman, I'm sure the studio wants to balance concerns against diminishing the character's movie brand against desires to see them in one of these mash-ups. Maybe they can cameo?