Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, DVD - Page 14

Yminale · July 29 2011, 06:21 AM

My only criticism is that there should be 3 movies of Cap fighting in WWII instead of one. Honestly Cap didn't help found the Avengers in the comic book so why the rush to have him join.

Nerys Myk · July 29 2011, 06:35 AM

Yminale wrote:

My only criticism is that there should be 3 movies of Cap fighting in WWII instead of one. Honestly Cap didn't help found the Avengers in the comic book so why the rush to have him join.

Because he's Captain America. The heart and soul of the Avengers. And one of Marvel's better known heroes.
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Yminale · July 29 2011, 06:42 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Because he's Captain America. The heart and soul of the Avengers. And one of Marvel's better known heroes.
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He can still be the heart and soul of the Avengers, just not one of the founders. Plus you already got The Hulk, Thor and Iron Man. What more do you need.

Agenda · July 29 2011, 06:55 AM

The Avengers only lasted a full three issues before Captain America showed up. For all intents and purposes, he is a founding member. In fact, he was even given 'founding member status' in the books.

Don't ask me how I know that.

Anyways, he's probably more closely identified with the team than even Thor and Iron Man are. And you can't have a multi-million dollar blockbuster Avengers movie without Cap. Not because of a mere three issues.

Nerys Myk · July 29 2011, 07:00 AM

Beyond Antares wrote:

The Avengers only lasted a full three issues before Captain America showed up. For all intents and purposes, he is a founding member. In fact, he was even given 'founding member status' in the books.

Don't ask me how I know that.

Anyways, he's probably more closely identified with the team than even Thor and Iron Man are. And you can't have a multi-million dollar blockbuster Avengers movie without Cap. Not because of a mere three issues.

What he said.

Trevacious · July 29 2011, 07:29 AM

Yminale wrote:

He can still be the heart and soul of the Avengers, just not one of the founders. Plus you already got The Hulk, Thor and Iron Man. What more do you need.

You need Captain America. Leader, Strategist, Moral Compass.

Yminale · July 29 2011, 07:39 AM

Beyond Antares wrote:

The Avengers only lasted a full three issues before Captain America showed up. For all intents and purposes, he is a founding member.

You could argue that Cap help make the Avengers popular but making him a founder is just wrong. He was not in issue #1. By your logic that would make Abraham Lincoln a Founding Father. Also the Hulk leaves after the first issue, which also by your logic means he shouldn't even be in the Avengers.

Anyways, he's probably more closely identified with the team than even Thor and Iron Man are. And you can't have a multi-million dollar blockbuster Avengers movie without Cap. Not because of a mere three issues.

You can still have Cap in a later Avengers movie but the point is more Cap movies set in WWII which I think would be better than him in the Avengers. I'm beginning to agree with people that Marvel is being too strict with their plans for the Avengers. They could easily wait and have a few more sequels for Iron Man, Cap and Thor and maybe bring in Ant man and Wasp. No one is exactly screaming out for an Avengers movie RIGHT NOW.

Yminale · July 29 2011, 07:42 AM

Trevacious wrote:

Yminale wrote:

He can still be the heart and soul of the Avengers, just not one of the founders. Plus you already got The Hulk, Thor and Iron Man. What more do you need.

You need Captain America. Leader, Strategist, Moral Compass.

Eventually yes but the point is he can always be brought in later. As for Leader and Strategist, you have Nick Fury. As for Moral Compass, Iron Man and Thor have decent working compass so you don't need a shinning light like Cap right now.

Nerys Myk · July 29 2011, 07:44 AM

Yminale wrote:

Beyond Antares wrote:

The Avengers only lasted a full three issues before Captain America showed up. For all intents and purposes, he is a founding member.

You could argue that Cap help make the Avengers popular but making him a founder is just wrong. He was not in issue #1. By your logic that would make Abraham Lincoln a Founding Father. Also the Hulk leaves after the first issue, which also by your logic means he shouldn't even be in the Avengers.

Anyways, he's probably more closely identified with the team than even Thor and Iron Man are. And you can't have a multi-million dollar blockbuster Avengers movie without Cap. Not because of a mere three issues.

You can still have Cap in a later Avengers movie but the point is more Cap movies set in WWII which I think would be better than him in the Avengers. I'm beginning to agree with people that Marvel is being too strict with their plans for the Avengers. They could easily wait and have a few more sequels for Iron Man, Cap and Thor and maybe bring in Ant man and Wasp. No one is exactly screaming out for an Avengers movie RIGHT NOW.

Marvel thinks of him as a founder. So do people "in-universe" in the MU.

There nothing to prevent Marvel from producing more Cap movies set in WWII.

Yminale · July 29 2011, 07:50 AM

Nerys Myk wrote:

Marvel thinks of him as a founder.

What Marvel thinks is irrelevant. The facts are right there in their publication history. If Marvel wants Cap in the Avengers that's fine but they shouldn't make up some BS excuse.

There nothing to prevent Marvel from producing more Cap movies set in WWII.

Except for the fact that he's in our time abruptly concluding his adventures in WWII. Sure they could do a flashback but movie audiences aren't that sophisticated (aka they are stupid) and it wouldn't work.

Agenda · July 29 2011, 07:59 AM

Yminale wrote:

You could argue that Cap help make the Avengers popular but making him a founder is just wrong. He was not in issue #1. By your logic that would make Abraham Lincoln a Founding Father. Also the Hulk leaves after the first issue, which also by your logic means he shouldn't even be in the Avengers.

Well, the thing is, these movies aren't the books. Ant-Man and Wasp should be in the movie, but they're not. Nick Fury shouldn't be in the movie, but he is. Neither should Hawkeye or Black Widow. Also, Iron Man's armor should be bulky and completely gold if we're going by Avengers #1, but I'm pretty sure it won't be.

Hell, they probably could have made an Avengers movie work without Captain America. But they would prefer that he's in it because he is a popular character and he is very much associated with the comic book. It's a change born from creative and (likely) financial considerations - and it's only one of many changes. And I can think of worse things they could have done.

Plus, I've noticed they're basing the new movie more on the recent Ultimates series than the classic Avengers storyline. I'm not the biggest fan of Millar's work, but in that one, Cap was very much a founding member of the team.

Nerys Myk · July 29 2011, 08:02 AM

Yminale wrote:

Nerys Myk wrote:

Marvel thinks of him as a founder.

What Marvel thinks is irrelevant. The facts are right there in their publication history. If Marvel wants Cap in the Avengers that's fine but they shouldn't make up some BS excuse.

Its in what they published. When they show the statue of the Avengers founders in comics Cap is usually front and center. Think of Avengers 1-4 as an origin arc if you must.

There nothing to prevent Marvel from producing more Cap movies set in WWII.

Except for the fact that he's in our time abruptly concluding his adventures in WWII. Sure they could do a flashback but movie audiences aren't that sophisticated (aka they are stupid) and it wouldn't work.

I think they'll figure it out. There's a time gap between Cap's rescue of the Howlers and his being frozen. Most folks will not care that he was shown waking up in the present at the end of CA: TFA. That kind of thinking is the province of nitpickers, who are not the bulk of any movies' audience.

Gov Kodos · July 29 2011, 09:48 AM

Got to see this today and I loved it. The movie was fun and without the cynicism that underlays a lot of action films. Great fun and I am looking forward to the Avengers. Cap, Thor, and Ironman I am looking forward to it.

Admiral_Young · July 29 2011, 11:50 AM

Tony Stark as a moral compass? Did you watch the two "Iron Man" movies Yminale? Especially in the sequel Tony was anything but a moral compass in fact his character arc was part of him growing into the hero we all know him to be. Anyways having THREE Captain America period piece films would be fine theoretically but I very much doubt you would be able to hold your audience through all three of those films. You could maybe get away with doing two period piece films before they got bored.

You need Captain America in your first "Avengers" film no matter what publication history and continuity dictate in 616. This film is using both universe's origins it would seem from what we've read and seen. As others have said in this thread you need Cap. He's the heart and soul of the team. He's the military strategist. The living legend. Plus he's one of the characters that fans will be looking forward to most seeing.

Shazam! · July 29 2011, 12:05 PM

Yminale wrote:

What Marvel thinks is irrelevant.

*facepalm*

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July 29 2011, 06:21 AM	#196
Yminale Rear Admiral Location: Democratically Liberated America	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, My only criticism is that there should be 3 movies of Cap fighting in WWII instead of one. Honestly Cap didn't help found the Avengers in the comic book so why the rush to have him join. __________________ This Space for Rent

July 29 2011, 06:55 AM	#199
Agenda Fleet Captain	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, The Avengers only lasted a full three issues before Captain America showed up. For all intents and purposes, he is a founding member. In fact, he was even given 'founding member status' in the books. Don't ask me how I know that. Anyways, he's probably more closely identified with the team than even Thor and Iron Man are. And you can't have a multi-million dollar blockbuster Avengers movie without Cap. Not because of a mere three issues.

July 29 2011, 09:48 AM	#208
Gov Kodos Vice Admiral Location: Gov Kodos Regretably far from Boston	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, Got to see this today and I loved it. The movie was fun and without the cynicism that underlays a lot of action films. Great fun and I am looking forward to the Avengers. Cap, Thor, and Ironman I am looking forward to it. __________________ “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

July 29 2011, 11:50 AM	#209
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, Tony Stark as a moral compass? Did you watch the two "Iron Man" movies Yminale? Especially in the sequel Tony was anything but a moral compass in fact his character arc was part of him growing into the hero we all know him to be. Anyways having THREE Captain America period piece films would be fine theoretically but I very much doubt you would be able to hold your audience through all three of those films. You could maybe get away with doing two period piece films before they got bored. You need Captain America in your first "Avengers" film no matter what publication history and continuity dictate in 616. This film is using both universe's origins it would seem from what we've read and seen. As others have said in this thread you need Cap. He's the heart and soul of the team. He's the military strategist. The living legend. Plus he's one of the characters that fans will be looking forward to most seeing. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

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