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Old July 27 2011, 10:44 PM   #16
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Re: PROBERT in need of a little help-

Probably Starfleet relies on a range of survival devices that may include "almost-shuttlecraft" with a high degree of independence and maneuverability, "dumb" pods that merely float in space until recovered by a suitably equipped starship, and "even dumber" survival cocoons that are just flimsy balloons containing an air recycling device and one to ten survivors.

The bigger and better survival devices might need to be housed in a shuttlebay, although probably not the same way shuttles are housed: the pod that saved Sisko could have been hanging from the ceiling of the shuttlebay, for example, until called to perform its one-off duty, thereby not unduly hindering normal shuttle operations. Simpler devices might need less maintenance and could be stored near-indefinitely in their designated, isolated berths in seldom-visited parts of the ship.

What is housed behind those hatches on TNG era ships is probably not set in stone: some ships may have a full set of the latest model of survival pod, while others may carry a mixture of older and newer pods there, and some pod types may be much smaller than the hatch they're hiding under. The Voyager pods clearly defy stereotype by being small hexagons beneath "standard" large square hatches. So I think any portrayal of Wolf 359 evacuation would be fully justified in featuring a broad range of devices and designs.

OTOH, how many ships really had the chance to launch survival devices? The Saratoga was caught in a tractor beam for a couple of minutes, but when Sisko launched out of that doomed ship, half a dozen starships outside were burning wrecks already. The Borg might only have allowed a select few ships to survive long enough for their crews to attempt evacuation.

And if their goal indeed was to improve the quality of life of their victims, they'd be unlikely to miss the opportunity to capture all the escape pods they could, and convert the occupants to a blessed existence as Borg Drones.

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Old July 27 2011, 11:29 PM   #17
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The question... what sort of lifeboats/pods would have been predominantly used during that battle?
I'd imagine the same sort as the ones we saw in Year of Hell. Older ships may have more primitive versions, but I'd imagine that the lifeboats would be pretty standardised.

Once that's pretty well hashed out, how would they dock with a rescue ship?
Tractor them into shuttlebays?
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Old July 28 2011, 09:25 AM   #18
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I'd imagine that there are as many different types of escape pods as there are classes of ship. Some more similar than others (i.e. those from a Constitution and Miranda more similar than those from a Galaxy and Nebula) but that there'd be variations with every class.

My only request is to try to give the escape pods something new and interesting rather than trying to make them smaller versions of shuttles. I loved the E-C's vertical impulse engine, the Romulan drydock, and the captain's yacht's launchbay. Seeing creative new stuff like that (stuff you don't often find on trek-art sites overflowing with derivative ships and uniforms) I feel like the show's still on and I'm a kid again looking at the future just a TV or computer screen away.
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Old July 28 2011, 12:48 PM   #19
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Thank you. Continuing in that same M.O., this painting will depict rescue & clean-up operations that would have taken place after the battle, featuring a never-before-seen StarFleet Salvage Tug.

The idea of developing a Deep Space Tug (like today's US Navy Ocean-going Tugs) actually came from a fan two years ago and I've been playing with it ever since. This idea was intriguing because it would challenge me to design a new ship & place it (them) in a setting with lots of other stuff to look at.

As for the Life Boats,... my original intention for the square design, first seen on the Galaxy Class, was to create a space-efficient shape that would fit nicely between compartments (rooms). They would be placed in groups along corridors, each with it's own door. Upon entering the door.... (I'm trying to remember now) there would be four (maybe six) closely-stacked contoured couches on either side, into which escapees would climb. The external 'cover' would blow off and the boat would be launched away. At a pre-determined distance, the boat would expand into it's final rectilinear shape, telescoping the cabin to a more comfortable size for it's occupants.

Since no script called for their usage during the first season, no more thought was given to them. Then after I left the show, their final development was up for grabs. As it turned out, lifeboat shapes became un-standardized (illogical to my mind), as subsequent ships came to fruition.

Thank you all for the really great input,
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Old July 28 2011, 01:47 PM   #20
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Wow, lots of responses already... thanks.

Was the battle of Wolf-359 featured in DS-9 as well?... since I didn't watch that show. If it were me (painting for myself) I would only use the lifeboats from the Galaxy Class / TNG-era ships; the boxy ones. But, again, I wanna cover all the bases.

Thanks again,
Andrew-
To Mr. Probert.

Be warned that the Triangular Life Boats have been featured on ships which Mike Okuda designated by registry as much Older than the Galaxy Class such as the Akira. So could use any of them and these are the 3 types we've seen


Voyager, Defiant and Galaxy. (These hide under the hull and pop out through a flip open hatch.)
http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...od_voyager.jpg

Sovereign Class Enterprise and Akira: (These are exposed on the hull and slide out of their holes)
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...e-sheet-17.jpg

Miranda: Reliant and Saratoga (These were launched straignt from the Shuttle bay at high speed)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...-escapepod.gif



Procedure for Retrival:
1. Transport direct to shuttle bay
2. Pods and Shuttle are lined up to the back of ship by use of tractor beams. The External Beams transfer control of the escape pod to an internal beam stationed within the shuttle Bay which sets the craft gently on the deck. Usually The internal tractor beam in the bay takes over before the craft passes through the shuttle bay force-field.


Tip:
The Best Shuttle Bays to use for an interior shot is the Main Saucer Shuttle Bay of the Galaxy, Nebula and the Sovereign Class ship. Big and Roomy and we've not seen much of the inside of them so artist license needed. We've also have never seen the inner shuttle bays of the Space Dock either (up close)

Tip:
For a Tug. Treat the Image like an SAR mission (Search and Rescue) These missions are usually of the escort variety to protect the Tug.

Tip:
Wolf 359 (if that is the battle we're seeing the after math of) is a red drawf star with an orangish hue
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Old July 28 2011, 06:27 PM   #21
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Why do escape pods look like impacted molars?
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Old July 28 2011, 06:37 PM   #22
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Be warned that the Triangular Life Boats have been featured on ships which Mike Okuda designated by registry as much Older than the Galaxy Class such as the Akira.
Actually, it's still debatable whether ships like the Akira are older than the Galaxy class (based on chronological registries), or much newer (based on the design of the ship itself). I myself have been flip-flopping on this issue for years. Presently I'm of the opinion that all four of the FC ship types are new as of FC, even if only because the underside of the Norway class is identical to the Defiant class.

And the registries of the FC ships were not made by Mr. Okuda. They were made by ILM's VFX department (the same guys who made the names/registries for the Kelvin-kitbash fleet in Star Trek '09).
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Old July 28 2011, 09:31 PM   #23
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even if only because the underside of the Norway class is identical to the Defiant class
Is it? Outside the DS9 Tech Manual, I mean?

I doubt the Norway even has an underside in reality.

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Old July 28 2011, 09:42 PM   #24
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There was a tug used in DS9...

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_tug
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Old July 28 2011, 09:48 PM   #25
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I would imagine, that they might also have some sort of Universal Docking Collar that would allow them to dock with any Federation ship.
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Old July 28 2011, 09:58 PM   #26
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The Feds would probably be interested in providing "universal assistance", that is, in possessing the technological means to assist lifepods that have alien and incompatible interfaces. We have seen several times how such pods are brought into shuttlebays.

Again, there's probably a range of techniques. The most primitive survival devices need to be transported inside or dragged aboard with tractor beams, but the higher-end models have docking systems, maneuvering systems and so forth. Still, it would be fun to see a futuristic special device for recovering lifepod occupants - an analogy to today's "high tech planks" (crane-operated or inflatable) that a passing ship can deploy to pick up people from the sea or from objects floating in the sea.

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Old July 28 2011, 10:17 PM   #27
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There was a tug used in DS9...

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_tug
Ugliest damn thing ever.
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Old July 28 2011, 10:28 PM   #28
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No question of that, ugly kitbash, I'd like to see what he has in mind for an original design.
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Old July 28 2011, 10:43 PM   #29
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even if only because the underside of the Norway class is identical to the Defiant class
Is it? Outside the DS9 Tech Manual, I mean?

I doubt the Norway even has an underside in reality.
It does. The Fact Files released an underside diagram of it, and I can make out a similar underside in HD screencaps of it in FC.
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Old July 29 2011, 08:09 AM   #30
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There was a tug used in DS9...

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_tug
Ugliest damn thing ever.
It was actually Klingon so I guess it's supposed to be ugly. I like it though. Looks very functional.

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even if only because the underside of the Norway class is identical to the Defiant class
Is it? Outside the DS9 Tech Manual, I mean?

I doubt the Norway even has an underside in reality.

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I doubt it too.

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Actually, it's still debatable whether ships like the Akira are older than the Galaxy class (based on chronological registries), or much newer (based on the design of the ship itself). I myself have been flip-flopping on this issue for years. Presently I'm of the opinion that all four of the FC ship types are new as of FC, even if only because the underside of the Norway class is identical to the Defiant class.
We never see the Noway in any detail.
The registry matters to me because we've never seen new ships get old registries unless it's a renaming. In any case it doesn't matter which pod he choses because FC mucked it up.

And the registries of the FC ships were not made by Mr. Okuda. They were made by ILM's VFX department (the same guys who made the names/registries for the Kelvin-kitbash fleet in Star Trek '09).
(shrug)
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