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Old July 22 2011, 04:48 PM   #31
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

Is this going to be the next "Blue Warp Nacelles" thread?
Instead blue Borg tractor beams?
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Old July 22 2011, 05:34 PM   #32
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Someone put a sombrero on a Borg cube. A Borg cube shooting BLUE tractor beams! Right freaking now!!
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Old July 22 2011, 07:45 PM   #33
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So, while digging through screenshots, I noticed they made the Borg in the flashbacks in "Dark Frontier" look like TNG-era Borg (they had mottled skin, though.)

They must have assimilated a species along the way who thought they looked silly and told them to update their look.
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Old July 22 2011, 08:30 PM   #34
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Old July 22 2011, 08:34 PM   #35
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

Voyager Borg Episodes

Blood Fever: A dead drone; not applicable.
Unity: The cube was destroyed by the ex-drones via an overload; not applicable.
Scorpion: Didn't destroy any Borg; Borg destruction was performed by Species 8472.
The Gift: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Raven: No Borg ships; not applicable.
One: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Hope and Fear: Eventually avoided the Borg via Quantum Slipstream Drive; not applicable.
Drone: Borg sphere was destroyed by a Borg drone that was 500 years advanced than the current Borg (plausible). However, the lack of a swift attempt of an attempt to destroy and/or obtain the future drone is implausible.
Infinite Regress: The Borg ship had already been destroyed via an alien pathogen; not applicable.
Dark Frontier: A Borg probe is destroyed; Voyager had comparable firepower. However, the probe did not perform reasonable adaptation (partially implausible). A Borg sphere is boarded but not attacked by either party (not applicable). A Borg diamond (the Queen's Lair) was destroyed via torpedo destruction of a transwarp conduit (plausible).
Survival Instinct: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: All Borg destruction with a photonic cannon is fantasized by the Doctor's imagination subroutine; not applicable.
Collective: The Borg cube's crew has already been destroyed/deactivated via an alien pathogen; five underdeveloped drones are in control of the cube. Voyager emits an energy pulse to retrieve Chakotay, Paris, and Neelix; however the pulse destabilizes the cube's transwarp core and the cube is destroyed (plausible due to the lack of adult/matured drones).
Unimatrix Zero: The destruction of a Borg Tactical Cube is performed by Voyager and a Borg Tactical Sphere (implausible).
Q2: The Borg cubes appear via young Q. The cubes quickly overcome Voyager's shields and board the Bridge. A drone attempts to insert his tubules into Janeway's neck when Q reappears. "If the Continuum has told you once, they have told you a thousand times: DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!" (plausible)
Endgame: Several Borg ships (including a Borg Transwarp Hub) are destroyed using future Janeway's advanced armor and weaponry. Considering future-Janeway is later assimilated, the knowledge of the advanced technology should have been quickly counteracted (very implausible).

Meh, the Borg episodes of Voyager are more plausible to prior plot development from TNG and First Contact. I wouldn't call the Borg pussified.


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So, while digging through screenshots, I noticed they made the Borg in the flashbacks in "Dark Frontier" look like TNG-era Borg (they had mottled skin, though.)

They must have assimilated a species along the way who thought they looked silly and told them to update their look.
"Gurl, go green! Makes you look slimmer!"
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Old July 22 2011, 09:18 PM   #36
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No there was no green inner glow in Q who. Nor Green spolt lights.
The tractor beam in Q Who is blue. The BOBW borg tractor beam might be considered green.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Categor...8TNG:_Q_Who%29

Green inner glow can be seen in the first cube interior shot and all the exterior shots.

The green tractor beam is in the very last shot.

There's also a green "shield neutralizer" here.

The only Borg effects in this episode that weren't green were the personal shields and the cutting beam.
Note: the beam wasn't a tractor beam it served the purpose of draining the shields. Later they muffed this up in Emissary because the Beam is clearly blue that does the same task.

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Voyager Borg Episodes

Blood Fever: A dead drone; not applicable.
Unity: The cube was destroyed by the ex-drones via an overload; not applicable.
Scorpion: Didn't destroy any Borg; Borg destruction was performed by Species 8472.
The Gift: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Raven: No Borg ships; not applicable.
One: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Hope and Fear: Eventually avoided the Borg via Quantum Slipstream Drive; not applicable.
Drone: Borg sphere was destroyed by a Borg drone that was 500 years advanced than the current Borg (plausible). However, the lack of a swift attempt of an attempt to destroy and/or obtain the future drone is implausible.
Infinite Regress: The Borg ship had already been destroyed via an alien pathogen; not applicable.
Dark Frontier: A Borg probe is destroyed; Voyager had comparable firepower. However, the probe did not perform reasonable adaptation (partially implausible). A Borg sphere is boarded but not attacked by either party (not applicable). A Borg diamond (the Queen's Lair) was destroyed via torpedo destruction of a transwarp conduit (plausible).
Survival Instinct: No Borg ships; not applicable.
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: All Borg destruction with a photonic cannon is fantasized by the Doctor's imagination subroutine; not applicable.
Collective: The Borg cube's crew has already been destroyed/deactivated via an alien pathogen; five underdeveloped drones are in control of the cube. Voyager emits an energy pulse to retrieve Chakotay, Paris, and Neelix; however the pulse destabilizes the cube's transwarp core and the cube is destroyed (plausible due to the lack of adult/matured drones).
Unimatrix Zero: The destruction of a Borg Tactical Cube is performed by Voyager and a Borg Tactical Sphere (implausible).
Q2: The Borg cubes appear via young Q. The cubes quickly overcome Voyager's shields and board the Bridge. A drone attempts to insert his tubules into Janeway's neck when Q reappears. "If the Continuum has told you once, they have told you a thousand times: DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!" (plausible)
Endgame: Several Borg ships (including a Borg Transwarp Hub) are destroyed using future Janeway's advanced armor and weaponry. Considering future-Janeway is later assimilated, the knowledge of the advanced technology should have been quickly counteracted (very implausible).

Meh, the Borg episodes of Voyager are more plausible to prior plot development from TNG and First Contact. I wouldn't call the Borg pussified.


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So, while digging through screenshots, I noticed they made the Borg in the flashbacks in "Dark Frontier" look like TNG-era Borg (they had mottled skin, though.)

They must have assimilated a species along the way who thought they looked silly and told them to update their look.
"Gurl, go green! Makes you look slimmer!"
That was a very very objective break down of the episodes
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Old July 22 2011, 09:39 PM   #37
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Note: the beam wasn't a tractor beam it served the purpose of draining the shields. Later they muffed this up in Emissary because the Beam is clearly blue that does the same task.
Well it also had them trapped so if it isn't a tractor beam, what is it? It's uh... it's green.

The point is they didn't spontaneously decide to make everything green in FC, they were just beefing up the original style.
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Old July 22 2011, 10:23 PM   #38
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

The shields were being drained by the blue tractor beam in BOBW as well.
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Old July 22 2011, 10:41 PM   #39
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Makes sense, since that scene in Emissary took place during BOBW and featured the same cube.
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Old July 22 2011, 11:00 PM   #40
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I think it would have been interesting if there were two types of visually distinct Borg:

We know from "Q Who?" that the Borg were meant to be a species that willingly chose to become a cybernertic hivemind and that they weren't all assimilated people.

I think they should have kept some Borg that we saw as the way they were in Q Who? and BOBW, just white skin. These would be the "pure" Borg who were always Borg from birth.

The others that look like zombies from "First Contact" onwards would represent the ones who were forcefully assimilated.

So we'd have scenes were the less gross looking Borg would be standing side by side with the mutilated zombie ones.
Interesting idea.
How about non humanoid borg as well? Not that we saw many aliens who weren't human shape. Bt if they had assimilated species 8472 or assimilated the Tholians what would that look like?
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Old July 23 2011, 12:48 AM   #41
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There are some interesting non-humanoid Borg mentioned in the Shatner/Reeves-Stevens novel The Return. It's a shame the TV shows and even movies of the era couldn't afford stuff like that.

There was also a comic where Borg from the future, including assimilated Species 8472, were travelling back through time.
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Old July 23 2011, 12:55 AM   #42
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I think for me the Borg became too action movie in Voyager. They were much more cerebral in TNG.
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Old July 23 2011, 01:57 AM   #43
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As I recall the Borg have always been emphasized to adapt to threats. The Voyager crew modified the Hanson's tech to sneak in, the Borg adapted. SOP. The real thing is that the Borg Queen held back as she was busy trying to seduce Seven of Nine. This is often held as weakening the Borg but Picard in BOBW and Data in First Contact basically got the same treatment.

Survival Instinct never gets complained out, but the Borg drones there are freed, as I recall, by merely being out of range. They certainly manage to "escape" later on, which makes the notion of being a mindless slave somewhat moot. And of course Seven of Nine gets to be the Borg Queen in this episode. This one really does violence to the power of the Borg Collective.
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Old July 23 2011, 02:05 AM   #44
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Note: the beam wasn't a tractor beam it served the purpose of draining the shields. Later they muffed this up in Emissary because the Beam is clearly blue that does the same task.
Well it also had them trapped so if it isn't a tractor beam, what is it? It's uh... it's green.
They didn't call it a tractor beam at first.
They merely said the beam was holding them in place. It didn't look like a tractor beam either.

The point is they didn't spontaneously decide to make everything green in FC, they were just beefing up the original style.
That's your point.
My point is that everything when radically green. Noticing a touch of green isn't the same as throwing a bucket of green paint on everything. That's what they did. The Ships turned green, green spot lights green shields, green control panels...

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The shields were being drained by the blue tractor beam in BOBW as well.
I still can't tell from You Tube what color that is...some look blue others look green but the difference is that after Qwho the beam has that fluctuating tractor beam effect and the original didn't.
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Old July 23 2011, 02:50 AM   #45
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Doesn't Worf say in BOBW that "Shields are being drained" after the tractor beam hits?
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