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Old July 10 2011, 12:52 PM   #76
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

Yeah, Janeway always antagonized people and walked right into danger, especially with the Borg, and quite frankly I think that's one part of her character that actually drew some of the MJFers to her, so I'm a bit baffled that all of the sudden it is considered bad characterization only because it bites her in the ass this time.
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Old July 10 2011, 01:17 PM   #77
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someone with an incredible track record against the Borg who would have known better than to be caught so off guard. The character deserved a better death, by a long shot.
And yet... the future Janeway ("Endgame") also walked straight into a situation where she would be inevitably absorbed by the Borg.
But she did that intentionally. She was a Trojan Horse carrying the virus that infected the Borg and weakened them enough to enable Voyager to take out the transwarp hub.
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Old July 10 2011, 03:37 PM   #78
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

In the end we're talking about a character being given advice by a member of a species that's more often than not come across, if not as an antagonist, then certainly not as an ally. And the advice wasn't exactly delivered in the most earnest manner possible.

Would Picard have handled it any differently? I think we can already assume Sisko would have just punched Q in the face.

I think Lady Q may have nailed it when she suggested that on some level Janeway allowed her actions to be influenced by her brush with future Janeway in Endgame. That being said I doubt it was any level that Janeway was consciously aware of.

But we've also seen that, for better or worse, Janeway isn't the type to abide being told what to do. And this time around it bites her in the @$$.
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Old July 11 2011, 02:17 AM   #79
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Janeway comes back as Pluto.
Gee, first a salamander, now a dog...
Janeway just has to keep messing with the freaky warp 10 stuff.
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Old July 11 2011, 03:32 AM   #80
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But she did that intentionally.
Yes, I know. In "Before Dishonor" she also walks in "intentionally".
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Old July 11 2011, 04:14 AM   #81
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But she did that intentionally.
Yes, I know. In "Before Dishonor" she also walks in "intentionally".
He means that she died intentionally, not that she merely decided to go there intentionally. Endgame Janeway went to the cube fully intending to be assimilated and to die there. Before Dishonor Janeway went to the cube with the intention of seeing for herself what was up and walking away from it alive and well. The first was a sacrifice the second was an accident.
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Old July 11 2011, 04:26 AM   #82
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I'm just waiting for Christie Golden to get the green light to bring Janeway back...
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Old July 11 2011, 04:55 AM   #83
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

I think you'd have better luck with Kirsten Beyer.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:20 AM   #84
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Given that Christie Golden seems to no longer have any intention of writing Star Trek, I'd say so.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:59 AM   #85
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

Not to be mean but thankGod for that.
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Old July 11 2011, 04:17 PM   #86
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I'll ask Christie the next chance I get if she's tired of writing Star Trek or if Pocket just isn't coming through with the goodies.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:14 PM   #87
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I'll ask Christie the next chance I get if she's tired of writing Star Trek or if Pocket just isn't coming through with the goodies.
I mean, ok, but if Pocket isn't coming through with the goodies, I hope that's because everyone at Pocket realized she was a shitty Star Trek writer that brought nothing to the table and stopped hiring her on purpose.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:19 PM   #88
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

Well, they still work together on Blizzard related novels (I think her latest one is only a few month old (April?), so I doubt there's a fundamental problem between Golden and S&S/PB/GB.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:22 PM   #89
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This novel might have been fun if it had been fan fiction. But I put it down wondering why I had paid money for it.

Tie-in fiction at its worst as far as I'm concerned. Eye-roll inducing fanwank, dumb jokes, obvious distaste for certain established characters, inconsistent characterization across the board, lots of sensationalist "developments" that amount to nothing in the end. Bleh.
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Old July 11 2011, 06:45 PM   #90
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...It almost sounds like a book written by Peter David...
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