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Old July 9 2011, 12:28 AM   #61
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

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Old July 9 2011, 12:29 AM   #62
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Re: Before Dishonour....seriously?!

I just finished BD like 45 minutes ago. (I keep reading the books out of order!)

It left me sad. But I thought the story was good!

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Old July 9 2011, 12:58 AM   #63
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Old July 9 2011, 01:56 AM   #64
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I've said it before and I'll say it again -- because I just don't get the hate for BD --

I loved Before Dishonor! Nobody mentions Spock in this thread -- seeing Spock, Seven, the Planet Eater, the callback to PD's earlier Borg novel, the evolved Borg all wrapped around the threat to Earth and last but not least the perfectly horrible, ironically and almost Shakespeareanly tragic downfall of Janeway in the worst manner possible (I loved Janeway and Voyager, and I was sad about but totally jaw-droppingly enthralled with her fate) -- these things were all so appealing and made for a super-page turner like very few of the post-Nemesis books have been for me (though I have read and liked them all to various degrees).

So, just to keep the balance a bit lest some people get the idea that BD is universally reviled - I just wanted to comment and say I couldn't put it down, Pluto-eating and all. Second to me only to the Destiny trilogy in the best of post-Nemesis Trek!

Forgive my over-adverbification.
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Old July 9 2011, 02:15 AM   #65
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Different strokes for different folks I guess. The way I see it Before Dishonor is very low brow as far as writing quality. I have this image of Peter David being drunk while he wrote. And I mean hard liquor and not wine.
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Old July 9 2011, 02:17 AM   #66
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Thank you for such a detailed answer! Sorry if my question was silly, I just recently started reading the TNG and VOY books. I started with DS9 relaunch and that got me hooked on all books Trek!

I'm going to continue reading out of order, though, because I just got Paths Of Disharmony! Gotta read it! Then I'll probably end up going back and reading older books while I wait for the next one!
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Old July 9 2011, 04:55 AM   #67
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Different strokes for different folks I guess. The way I see it Before Dishonor is very low brow as far as writing quality. I have this image of Peter David being drunk while he wrote. And I mean hard liquor and not wine.
Oh the book is not that much fun.
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Old July 9 2011, 01:31 PM   #68
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^Not if Janeway convinces Q to send Pluto back with her...
Janeway comes back as Pluto.
Interesting idea...how much coffee would she need each day in this scenario?
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Old July 9 2011, 02:55 PM   #69
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Well, Pluto is an ice dwarf, so hot coffee probably wouldn't be very good for it...
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Old July 9 2011, 05:12 PM   #70
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^LOL. Maybe Janeway the Borg Queen used hot coffee in the absorbsion process. Pluto did go quickly. Of course, what did the Queen do next? Fly into the sun. Clearly her coffee needed reheating.
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Old July 10 2011, 04:04 AM   #71
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I've said it before and I'll say it again -- because I just don't get the hate for BD --

I loved Before Dishonor! Nobody mentions Spock in this thread -- seeing Spock, Seven, the Planet Eater, the callback to PD's earlier Borg novel, the evolved Borg all wrapped around the threat to Earth and last but not least the perfectly horrible, ironically and almost Shakespeareanly tragic downfall of Janeway in the worst manner possible (I loved Janeway and Voyager, and I was sad about but totally jaw-droppingly enthralled with her fate) -- these things were all so appealing and made for a super-page turner like very few of the post-Nemesis books have been for me (though I have read and liked them all to various degrees).

So, just to keep the balance a bit lest some people get the idea that BD is universally reviled - I just wanted to comment and say I couldn't put it down, Pluto-eating and all. Second to me only to the Destiny trilogy in the best of post-Nemesis Trek!

Forgive my over-adverbification.
While I can't say I'm as ecstatic about BD as all this, and I have a lot of the same issues with it as a lot of other posters, I will say one thing about it: For better or worse, it's the only Star Trek book that I've read start to finish in a single day.

Now, part of this may have something to do with the fact that I was on Spring break at the time, but if nothing else, it was definitely a page-turner for me.
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Old July 10 2011, 08:05 AM   #72
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Coming from someone who is not a Peter David fan.. I thought the book was okay and undeserved of such a bad reputation. I'm even okay with the death of Janeway, especially since it paved the way for a wonderful run by Kristen Beyer.

What I did not like was how Janeway was killed. This was not only a major character, but also someone with an incredible track record against the Borg who would have known better than to be caught so off guard. The character deserved a better death, by a long shot.
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Old July 10 2011, 09:37 AM   #73
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Coming from someone who is not a Peter David fan.. I thought the book was okay and undeserved of such a bad reputation. I'm even okay with the death of Janeway, especially since it paved the way for a wonderful run by Kristen Beyer.

What I did not like was how Janeway was killed. This was not only a major character, but also someone with an incredible track record against the Borg who would have known better than to be caught so off guard. The character deserved a better death, by a long shot.
I agree with this 100 percent.
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Old July 10 2011, 12:19 PM   #74
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Personally I think she got a better death then the character deserved.

But then I thought she was written incredibly poorly when it mattered in the tv series.
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Old July 10 2011, 12:32 PM   #75
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someone with an incredible track record against the Borg who would have known better than to be caught so off guard. The character deserved a better death, by a long shot.
And yet... the future Janeway ("Endgame") also walked straight into a situation where she would be inevitably absorbed by the Borg.

When Ms Q said that Q had known that Janeway would deliberately walk into danger, ignoring all advice, and that's why he couldn't be there to witness the train wreck that was unfolding - and then Ms Q tried to warn her... and Janeway went anyway - I felt that all rang very true to all three characters.
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