X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!** - Page 48

Skywalker · July 2 2011, 03:26 AM

Do you think they'd let me?

Broccoli · July 2 2011, 03:49 AM

Skywalker wrote:

It's a preboot. Part prequel, part reboot.

Partial reboots set after the original movie are called requels.

Part Prequel.

Part Reboot.

All Movie.

KB24 · July 2 2011, 07:11 AM

I don't think it is a reboot in the sense we've come to expect a reboot. Like I also this this Green Lantern sequel talk is them attempting a do over ala Norton's Hulk to Lee's Hulk. First Class doesn't totally wipe the slate clean for the previously films- maybe it picks and chooses but doesn't dismiss all. Does it however reinvigorate the franchise with fresh blood? Yes. Really, are the Star Wars prequels considered reboots? Of course not. But did they add new stars and storylines to the series? Yes (we'll ignore all the death strikes it did for now!) First Class offers what happened to these people in a different part of the timeline. And hey, maybe they didn't get all the facts straight if you want to get finite but big whoop.

I know everyone says domestic is where the BO numbers are at. Isn't the 330 such mil worldwide a major number? If they end with 350 worldwide and can do 30 to 50 in video sales, that is a huge chunk.

And Halle Berry may have been a draw for the originals, but she wasn't exactly top notch as Storm. And I agree, the cast wasn't as huge then as they are now. Even though I don't consider First Class a reboot, I would like more familiar mutants in its sequels. I would like to see the younger originals in keeping with the first films. Heck, its kind of funny, but some of the younger folks from the earlier films could feasibly play their younger characters if they get a move on with it. And yes, yes, I know someone is going to tell me that is impossibe to have someone who was a team in the early 2000s be a teen in the 70s, but we are beyond the Soap Opera Aging stuff now. Really, I always thought the first film had a fudged timeline, as it said it took place in the not to distant future, yet still had Magneto being a victim of the Holocaust. I always thought that should have made him like 70 in the original film, but big whoop. When you have great performances and quality story telling, you can forgive all that.

Although I much rather would see a proper cinematic Gambit

Set Harth · July 2 2011, 06:37 PM

JacksonArcher wrote:

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote:

Uh, this IS a reboot

Not really.

According to the director, it is; however, it does feature Jackman and Romijn, which muddies the waters somewhat.

Admiral_Young · July 2 2011, 09:22 PM

Just because the director says something doesn't mean that it is set in stone. First Class isn't a traditional reboot. Again I'm not sure why this is even a debate in the first place. This is a prequel movie that ignores elements or has forgotten things established in previous movies. We know these kinds of continuity errors happen all the time in franchises. The Logan cameo is meant to be the same Wolverine that we've seen in previous films and that we will see again in next year's "The Wolverine".

Set Harth · July 2 2011, 10:49 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

Just because the director says something doesn't mean that it is set in stone.

The opinion of the person who made the film should carry more weight than that of a random fan.

Admiral_Young wrote:

This is a prequel movie that ignores elements or has forgotten things established in previous movies.

Thus not a true prequel. More like an alternate-universe prequel, or preboot.

Samurai8472 · July 2 2011, 11:02 PM

At the grocery store today

Cashier 1- What's playing?

Cashier 2 - Car's 2 and that new Wolverine movie

Shopper- Don't go to that Wolverine movie. I thought it was boring

Admiral_Young · July 2 2011, 11:08 PM

@Set Harth...as a fan I'm allowed to disagree with the director's views on a film. That's the nature of what being a fan is all about. Why don't I see you posting or supporting Bryan Singer's opinion? Matthew Vaughn directed a film BASED on a story that Singer pitched and wrote himself.

Set Harth · July 2 2011, 11:08 PM

Samurai8472 wrote:

At the grocery store today

Cashier 1- What's playing?

Cashier 2 - Car's 2 and that new Wolverine movie

Shopper- Don't go to that Wolverine movie. I thought it was boring

Last I heard they were still looking for a director.

Damn, they got that one out FAST.

Admiral _Young wrote:

Why don't I see you posting or supporting Bryan Singer's opinion?

I wasn't aware he had a different opinion.

Singer wrote:

We did our best to maintain continuity with the other films. But as sometimes happens for the sake of telling the most compelling story possible, we made a few concessions.

Admiral_Young · July 2 2011, 11:13 PM

I think you missed the point of Sammy's joke. I think he was stating that the cashiers were thinking "X-Men: First Class" was a Wolverine movie.

In this question and answer article Singer clearly states that "X-Men: First Cass" is a prequel.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...en-first-class

Set Harth · July 2 2011, 11:16 PM

Admiral_Young wrote:

I think you missed the point of Sammy's joke. I think he was stating that the cashiers were thinking "X-Men: First Class" was a Wolverine movie.

I got that.

If a new Wolverine movie had come out I would know it.

Admiral_Young wrote:

In this question and answer article Singer clearly states that "X-Men: First Cass" is a prequel.

I just quoted from the same link. It comes down to the relevance of the so-called "concessions". In light of these, the right answer probably would have been "a bit of both". However, it's not entirely clear what Singer's definition of "reboot" is. If a reboot means among other things that all parts are necessarily recast, I could see how the inclusion of Jackman and Romijn would seem un-rebootlike. Whatever this thing is called, it is a prequel which is only intended to partially match up with the previous films.

Guy Gardener · July 2 2011, 11:19 PM

Well Wolverine certainly had the best line in the movie.

Captain Craig · July 2 2011, 11:26 PM

^^^
I don't know about that.

Pig farmers and Tailors sequence was cool.

I'm going to move this coin at the end also cool.

Gaith · July 2 2011, 11:43 PM

Skywalker wrote:

It's a preboot. Part prequel, part reboot.

Partial reboots set after the original movie are called requels.

No, no, requels are reboots that nevertheless pay homage in some fashion to that which has gone before (so says IGN Movies, anyway). See: The Incredible Hulk.

Set Harth · July 3 2011, 12:02 AM

In the end, Singer and Vaughn are basically saying the same thing, though it's more strongly worded in Singer's case. They're both saying that they didn't necessarily feel constrained by the prior films on a point-by-point basis. In describing that situation, it's interesting that one uses the term "prequel" and the other uses the term "reboot".

View Poll Results: How Much Did You Enjoy X-MEN: FIRST CLASS?
A+ (Great Movie!)	73	35.61%
A (Entertained a lot!)	93	45.37%
B (Was okay, not bad)	30	14.63%
C (Below expectations)	6	2.93%
D (Very bad)	2	0.98%
F (Intolerable, want money back)	1	0.49%
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July 2 2011, 03:26 AM	#706
Skywalker Admiral	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! Do you think they'd let me?

July 2 2011, 07:11 AM	#708
KB24 Fleet Captain Location: NJ, USA	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! I don't think it is a reboot in the sense we've come to expect a reboot. Like I also this this Green Lantern sequel talk is them attempting a do over ala Norton's Hulk to Lee's Hulk. First Class doesn't totally wipe the slate clean for the previously films- maybe it picks and chooses but doesn't dismiss all. Does it however reinvigorate the franchise with fresh blood? Yes. Really, are the Star Wars prequels considered reboots? Of course not. But did they add new stars and storylines to the series? Yes (we'll ignore all the death strikes it did for now!) First Class offers what happened to these people in a different part of the timeline. And hey, maybe they didn't get all the facts straight if you want to get finite but big whoop. I know everyone says domestic is where the BO numbers are at. Isn't the 330 such mil worldwide a major number? If they end with 350 worldwide and can do 30 to 50 in video sales, that is a huge chunk. And Halle Berry may have been a draw for the originals, but she wasn't exactly top notch as Storm. And I agree, the cast wasn't as huge then as they are now. Even though I don't consider First Class a reboot, I would like more familiar mutants in its sequels. I would like to see the younger originals in keeping with the first films. Heck, its kind of funny, but some of the younger folks from the earlier films could feasibly play their younger characters if they get a move on with it. And yes, yes, I know someone is going to tell me that is impossibe to have someone who was a team in the early 2000s be a teen in the 70s, but we are beyond the Soap Opera Aging stuff now. Really, I always thought the first film had a fudged timeline, as it said it took place in the not to distant future, yet still had Magneto being a victim of the Holocaust. I always thought that should have made him like 70 in the original film, but big whoop. When you have great performances and quality story telling, you can forgive all that. Although I much rather would see a proper cinematic Gambit __________________ FATE and FANGS: Tales from the Vampire Family Kindle Available Now! http://vampfam.blogspot.com I Think, Therefore I Review- Criticism, Conjecture, Rants http://ithinkthereforeireview.blogspot.com

July 2 2011, 09:22 PM	#710
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! Just because the director says something doesn't mean that it is set in stone. First Class isn't a traditional reboot. Again I'm not sure why this is even a debate in the first place. This is a prequel movie that ignores elements or has forgotten things established in previous movies. We know these kinds of continuity errors happen all the time in franchises. The Logan cameo is meant to be the same Wolverine that we've seen in previous films and that we will see again in next year's "The Wolverine". __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 2 2011, 11:02 PM	#712
Samurai8472 Vice Admiral	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! At the grocery store today Cashier 1- What's playing? Cashier 2 - Car's 2 and that new Wolverine movie Shopper- Don't go to that Wolverine movie. I thought it was boring __________________ "Inception" is a layer cake.

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July 2 2011, 11:08 PM	#713
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! @Set Harth...as a fan I'm allowed to disagree with the director's views on a film. That's the nature of what being a fan is all about. Why don't I see you posting or supporting Bryan Singer's opinion? Matthew Vaughn directed a film BASED on a story that Singer pitched and wrote himself. __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 2 2011, 11:13 PM	#715
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! I think you missed the point of Sammy's joke. I think he was stating that the cashiers were thinking "X-Men: First Class" was a Wolverine movie. In this question and answer article Singer clearly states that "X-Men: First Cass" is a prequel. http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...en-first-class __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

July 2 2011, 11:19 PM	#717
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! Well Wolverine certainly had the best line in the movie. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

July 2 2011, 11:26 PM	#718
Captain Craig Vice Admiral Location: Nashville,TN	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! ^^^ I don't know about that. Pig farmers and Tailors sequence was cool. I'm going to move this coin at the end also cool. __________________ "Picard never hit me." Q-Less(DS9) "Freedom is the Right of All Sentient Beings" Optimus Prime Twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/CaptainCraig1

July 3 2011, 12:02 AM	#720
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion SPOILERS! In the end, Singer and Vaughn are basically saying the same thing, though it's more strongly worded in Singer's case. They're both saying that they didn't necessarily feel constrained by the prior films on a point-by-point basis. In describing that situation, it's interesting that one uses the term "prequel" and the other uses the term "reboot". __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?