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View Poll Results: How would you grade Green Lantern?
A+ 5 3.52%
A 7 4.93%
A- 11 7.75%
B+ 20 14.08%
B 18 12.68%
B- 23 16.20%
C+ 10 7.04%
C 15 10.56%
C- 13 9.15%
D+ 4 2.82%
D 3 2.11%
D- 3 2.11%
F 10 7.04%
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Old June 24 2011, 01:19 AM   #286
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Ring selection is handled by "Mogo" the scentient planet
About that...

His twin sister....
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Old June 24 2011, 02:21 AM   #287
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Is there a reverse inflation widget on the net somewhere?

Can I see that "take" in 1985 dollars and compare it to Back to the Future?
Right here. I entered $60,000,000 in 2011 dollars and it gave me a number of $28.5 million in 1985 dollars, a inflation rate of -52% over the last 26 years.

Its opening weekend Back to the Future made $11 million its opening weekend in 1985 dollars, it opened in pretty much half as many theaters as the Green Lantern did and spent most of the summer in the #1 spot, being dropped to #2 for one week due to National Lampoon's European Vacation. It was #1 pretty much from it's opening in the first weekend in July until late September, taking in about $210m (in 1985 dollars) over the course of the Summer in the United States, equal to about $440in today's dollars.

Keep in mind we're pretty widly comparing things here, back to the future paid for its budget ($11 million) inside of two weeks, opened in far fewer theaters and in a completely different market than what exists today. But $-for-$, Green Lantern's opening weekend was a lot larger than Back to the Future's, the latter featuring a rising star in the acting world (Fox.)
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it would be almost impossible for a movie today to hold onto the number one spot for that long but if it did, we'd be talking about the first movie to gross over a billion dollars in the box office alone.
Yeah. I remember when Jurassic Park came out, once you counted its time in the dollar theater, it was in theaters for about a year.

Of course, I think part of the difference is that every movie that comes out now has aspirations of being the next big blockbuster and gets a big push at the beginning. Even successful movies disappear from theaters in a few weeks because the new stuff crowds it out. At a couple of the big Harkins Theaters in the Phoenix area, Thor is already down to about 1 screen, and that in 2-D.

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From what I understand, DC is goin' for a Justice League movie just 'cause Marvel is makin' an Avengers movie. The difference is, Marvel is tyin' all their movies together, with character crossovers & such, while DC's plan seems to be to make seperate movies for their characters & then throwin' 'em together & callin' it Justice League.
Well, they'd have to do a lot of re-tinkering with a Justice League movie. I mean, Batman would need to be recast, for one, since I don't see Christian Bale taking part in a larger DC universe. Warner Bros. is always struggling to get Superman right (and doesn't seem to recognize a good thing when they have it, considering Brandon Routh isn't coming back). They seemed to abandon their Wonder Woman movie plans in place of the David E. Kelly TV show, which got rejected by NBC. So right off, DC's 3 biggest heroes are in flux.

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It took something like, what, five years for the second Hulk movie? When all is said and done the gap between Superman movies will be even bigger.
The Incredible Hulk was a reboot, not a sequel to Hulk.
It was a soft reboot. Fudge a few details in the flashbacks and The Incredible Hulk is surprisingly consistent with Hulk (apart from the recasting, of course). Hell, it's easier to reconcile the 2 Hulk movies with each other than it is certain portions of X-Men: First Class with X-Men: The Last Stand or Highlander with ANY of its sequels.

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"Green Lantern... because your eight-year-old son doesn't know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was!"
Damn kids.

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The Guardians of the Universe. Obnoxious people like Guy Gardner often refer to the Guardians as "Dwarfs" or even sometimes "Smurfs".
I call them Talosians.

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Again...I see we're writing off films based on opening weekend. While incredibly important yes, it's not the be all and end all in studios green lighting sequels now. Overseas/international sales are taken into consideration and DVD sales are looked act before studios decide on a franchise's fate.
True enough. It's taken a while, but 20th Century Fox has finally started moving on a new Percy Jackson & the Olympians movie.

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Part of me wants to believe it's simply fans' hatred for Reynolds and the CGI suit that's coloring their judgement of the movie.
Fans hate Ryan Reynolds? I didn't know this. Frankly, even in such an uneven, controversial, frequently negative thread as this, people don't seem to be hating on Reynolds too much. (Certainly not when compared to how fanboys loved to dogpile on Ben Affleck when Daredevil came out.)

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When Iron Man came out, I thought that Robert Downey Jr. was totally miscast as Tony Stark and I couldn't figure out why everyone was raving about him. It was only later that I realized that RDJ's fun and charisma was probably needed to make the film a bigger success. A more accurate version of the character might not have made the movie what it was.
Just out of curiousity, who do you think would have been a more accurate actor to play Tony Stark?

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I certainly won't argue that GL was very deep or complex, but then I never felt that way about Iron Man, Donner's Superman, Burton's Batman, or the first two Spidey films either. Those were all very simplistic movies as well, and yet most fans still manage to love those.
I'd rate Iron Man on the same level as Green Lantern as far as engaging emotional complexity. The difference there, as has been frequently noted, is Robert Downey Jr. That man is endlessly interesting to watch being a clever, charming asshole (even moreso in Sherlock Holmes, IMO). He was such a surprising rapscallion and such an unlikely hero, nether boyscout nor brooding antihero, he's like the comic book movie equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow.

Ryan Reynolds is very good sometimes, but generally plays his heroes very straight with just a little bit of wiseass thrown in. He singlehandedly makes Blade Trinity watchable. I'd love to see him really cut loose in a Deadpool movie. However, there's a subdued, compromised attitude towards his performance in Green Lantern. The plot takes itself so seriously that he doesn't get a whole lot of opportunities to just start riffing. But then, Martin Cambell seems like a director intent on focused narrative momentum. He's not like David Goyer, who seemed to give Reynolds a very long leash in Blade Trinity.

As for Richard Donner's Superman & Tim Burton's Batman, I would agree. Neither film really seems to get much of an emotional grasp of the character. They're more like a collection of random vignettes which capture the spirit, if not the psychology of the character. Frankly, Batman Begins is the only Batman movie out there that's actually really about Batman. But to Tim Burton's credit, I think he did achieve a measure of emotional complexity when dealing with damaged freaks like the Penguin & Catwoman in Batman Returns.

As for Spider-Man, I'll admit it's a pretty simple story but it's also a profoundly eternal, universal one about the guy that can't get the girl to notice him. And it's done with such ambition, intending to be THE DEFINITIVE nerd gets the girl fantasy.

Probably my biggest problem with Green Lantern is that it lacks ambition. It's clearly a comic book movie attempting to be one of many, cashing in on the popularity of the genre right now. I think, were we not so glutted with comic book movies right now, we might have gotten a more suitably epic treatment of the material. As is, no one stepped up to put their own stamp on the material because they were too busy making it fit in with all of the other comic book movies out there.
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Old June 24 2011, 03:06 AM   #288
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I call them Talosians.
The Guardians?

Godsmurfs.

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Old June 24 2011, 04:03 AM   #289
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However, there's a subdued, compromised attitude towards his performance in Green Lantern. The plot takes itself so seriously that he doesn't get a whole lot of opportunities to just start riffing. But then, Martin Cambell seems like a director intent on focused narrative momentum. He's not like David Goyer, who seemed to give Reynolds a very long leash in Blade Trinity.
I won't argue that Reynolds probably wasn't the most ideal choice to play Hal Jordan, but I thought he still carried the movie quite well myself. The only unfortunate thing is that the movie insisted so hard on making him such a scared, fearful guy, when only a hint of that was really necessary.

Probably my biggest problem with Green Lantern is that it lacks ambition. It's clearly a comic book movie attempting to be one of many, cashing in on the popularity of the genre right now. I think, were we not so glutted with comic book movies right now, we might have gotten a more suitably epic treatment of the material. As is, no one stepped up to put their own stamp on the material because they were too busy making it fit in with all of the other comic book movies out there.
I won't argue there. While I really enjoyed the movie for what it was, I do think it probably played things a bit too safe (with the Iron Man-style rock score, for instance), and could have strived to be more unique somehow. I definitely would have liked to have seen the magic and wonder of the ring and it's powers played up a bit more.
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Old June 24 2011, 02:46 PM   #290
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Whoa, GL movie lacking ambition??? An origin story and one that spans the galaxy, with and an invader from outer space? I thought it was huge. While the result of the movie may have just been above avg, I think they really got the look and universe "right". The sequel doesn't need anything other than a good story.

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Old June 24 2011, 04:41 PM   #291
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It was a soft reboot. Fudge a few details in the flashbacks and The Incredible Hulk is surprisingly consistent with Hulk (apart from the recasting, of course). Hell, it's easier to reconcile the 2 Hulk movies with each other than it is certain portions of X-Men: First Class with X-Men: The Last Stand or Highlander with ANY of its sequels.
Nah, it is almost impossible to match the two of them. Save for starting in a similar point where Hulk ended, the entire backstory is different:

- No experiments as a child on Banner as the source of his power
- Banner is Banner, not under different name, pseudonym, etc.
- Banner was working on a regeneration project.
- In Hulk, the accident is due to saving a coworker, in IH he was experimenting on himself.

Even if you dudge the flashbacks in IH, Betty has never seen Hulk transform before the campus incident, which is a big difference.

You could try to reconcile the two... like you could try to reconcile Batman Begins with the four previous movies (this before Dark Knight).
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Old June 24 2011, 07:45 PM   #292
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A Hulk movie is a Hulk movie, Batman is Batman, etc. They still belong to the same people, the money goes to the same corporations.
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Old June 24 2011, 09:35 PM   #293
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But if Bruce Wayne is in a Hulk movie, he's going to wine and dine Betty Ross. Not that Batman is into that sort of thing, but it's Bruce Waynes "cover" although, Tony Stark is going to nail her in the toilet block between appetisers and mains.

Ask Freddie Prince JR how that worked out for him?
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Old June 25 2011, 02:27 AM   #294
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Just got back from finally seeing it.

Holy crap. It's AWFUL.

I know, I know, I should turn off my brain, but, I just can't... but even then... this movie is brain dead.

And I hate to say it: but Ryan Reynolds isn't to blame. It isn't his fault. He's one of the better parts of this movie. And I am loathe to say it. But it's true. He does just fine.

There's a lot of stupidity in this movie.



I will say this, there is one moment in this comedy that works:



Awful, awful, X3 awful.
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The asteroid belt and secret aircraft test ones melted my brain. Ow.
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Old June 25 2011, 03:23 AM   #296
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As for the second one, I thought it was pretty clear that Parallax was so focused and intent on killing Hal because he was the wearer of the ring that imprisoned him.
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There was dialogue addressing that specifically, yes.
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Old June 25 2011, 03:55 AM   #298
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The news report on the "secret" aircraft test made me raise an eyebrow too.
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Old June 25 2011, 05:05 AM   #299
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Oh, I got that Parallax was going after Hal because he was the ring bearer, that doesn't make his choice any less dumb. If Parallax ate the Earth and ignored Hal, he would be more powerful, and thus could dispose of Hal more easily.

just because they try and justify something dumb doesn't make it less dumb.
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Oh, I got that Parallax was going after Hal because he was the ring bearer, that doesn't make his choice any less dumb. If Parallax ate the Earth and ignored Hal, he would be more powerful, and thus could dispose of Hal more easily.

just because they try and justify something dumb doesn't make it less dumb.
Precisely. And if Parallax actually has the power for FTL travel, which by itself is kinda preposterous, he should have been able to devour the entire population of Earth in less than a second. Plus, if Abin Sur was able to (singlehandedly!) imprison Para, why couldn't a fleet of GL's do so as well? Or why couldn't Abin Sur do it again? Or why didn't Para go after Abin when he went out of the ship in the escape pod and was stupidly devouring an empty ship??

As a GL movie it was horribly misfired. As just a movie, it was worse. I had such high hopes for this one.
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