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View Poll Results: Rate Children Of The Storm.
Outstanding 64 52.89%
Above Average 41 33.88%
Average 11 9.09%
Below Average 1 0.83%
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Old June 13 2011, 01:32 AM   #76
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Re: Star Trek: Voyager: Children Of The Storm Review Thread

well i must say i enjoy your voyager books a lot, with or without Janeway , and childrens of the storm is very good.
please tell me you will be writing the next ones
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Old June 13 2011, 02:07 AM   #77
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Is the cover the same as the "not final" cover that was floated around a few months back, with Voyager flying into what looked like a star?
I'm looking forward to seeing the German redo of the cover. I know it'll be way better.

But so far, what I am reading is very good and I think the rest will be just as good.
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Old June 13 2011, 02:19 AM   #78
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Even Neelix the intergalactic sex offender was made into a bearable character.
Okay, that's a ridiculous characterization. First off, we have no proof that Neelix and Kes were actually sexually active together. Second, Kes wasn't human, so it's nonsensically ethnocentric to judge her maturity by human standards. She was a capable adult by the standards of her own species, and nobody who paid any attention could possibly think she was too immature to make responsible choices. Hell, she was the wisest person on the ship. So calling Neelix a sex offender is as insulting to Kes as it is to Neelix, because it's misrepresenting her as a helpless child.
I was actually thinking more about the general creepy nonce vibe the character has, if anyone had horse porn stashed in their cabin or was stealing panties, it was Neelix.
You are one sick person. I suggest you go get help.
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Old June 13 2011, 10:35 AM   #79
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JWolf wrote: View Post
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Is the cover the same as the "not final" cover that was floated around a few months back, with Voyager flying into what looked like a star?
I'm looking forward to seeing the German redo of the cover. I know it'll be way better.

But so far, what I am reading is very good and I think the rest will be just as good.
Voyager isn't part of the German line (yet), but there were comments in the past that they`re considering it, so who knows, maybe you'll see a redo in a few years.
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Old June 13 2011, 10:39 AM   #80
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Okay, that's a ridiculous characterization. First off, we have no proof that Neelix and Kes were actually sexually active together. Second, Kes wasn't human, so it's nonsensically ethnocentric to judge her maturity by human standards. She was a capable adult by the standards of her own species, and nobody who paid any attention could possibly think she was too immature to make responsible choices. Hell, she was the wisest person on the ship. So calling Neelix a sex offender is as insulting to Kes as it is to Neelix, because it's misrepresenting her as a helpless child.
I was actually thinking more about the general creepy nonce vibe the character has, if anyone had horse porn stashed in their cabin or was stealing panties, it was Neelix.
You are one sick person. I suggest you go get help.
Where would I get help if I was a person who spends half his time lecturing authors on faults in the copy-editing of their books while at the same time uploading their books for free on the internet thus depriving them of income.

Any suggestions where I would get help for that?
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Old June 13 2011, 11:44 AM   #81
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Matthias, I read your comments, and the all of the others in the interview thread and just wanted to express my gratitude for what you tried to do there. I have been aware for some time, however, that the anger and sadness many feel about Janeway is too intense for them to hear anything beyond their own point of view. Of course, their position is valid. They want to read what they want to read, and there is nothing wrong with that. I, too, wish they'd give the new stories a chance, but I'm not holding my breath. Your efforts, however, were much appreciated.
I feel their pain, but you don't sacrifice all your relationships after the death of your best friend. I hope they will move past anger toward acceptance. I'm all for doing what I can to promote a good author and a great book. Keep 'em coming.
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Old June 13 2011, 11:46 AM   #82
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Is the cover the same as the "not final" cover that was floated around a few months back, with Voyager flying into what looked like a star?
I'm looking forward to seeing the German redo of the cover. I know it'll be way better.

But so far, what I am reading is very good and I think the rest will be just as good.
Voyager isn't part of the German line (yet), but there were comments in the past that they`re considering it, so who knows, maybe you'll see a redo in a few years.
I hope so. I've loved all those German covers I've seen. Don't know why we can't get such awesome covers in the nation they were originally written and published in.
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Old June 13 2011, 03:50 PM   #83
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I wonder if those Janeway fans who refuse to read anything set after Janeway's death have ever experienced a personal loss in their own lives. If they had, maybe they'd appreciate that it's possible to pay honor and tribute to someone even after they're gone, that they can still be a part of your life even if they aren't physically there. Maybe they'd understand that the grief and anger can't last forever, that loss is something that must eventually be accepted and coped with and integrated into your life as you move on. Janeway is a pervasive, influential presence throughout Unworthy and Children of the Storm. The books serve her character very well even though she isn't in them as a living person. I think these Janeway fans would appreciate the books if they allowed themselves to read them.
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Old June 13 2011, 03:52 PM   #84
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Old June 13 2011, 06:47 PM   #85
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Another outstanding Voyager novel by Ms. Beyer. Please, please, keep up the good work.
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Old June 13 2011, 09:23 PM   #86
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Seconded! Can't tell you how many times I thought, I need to put this down, just as soon as I finish this chapter... Can't stop yet, I have to see what happens next...
ANd before I knew it I was done. Started reading late in the afternoon, and the only reason I stopped was because I was falling asleep!
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Old June 13 2011, 10:13 PM   #87
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I wonder if those Janeway fans who refuse to read anything set after Janeway's death have ever experienced a personal loss in their own lives. If they had, maybe they'd appreciate that it's possible to pay honor and tribute to someone even after they're gone, that they can still be a part of your life even if they aren't physically there. Maybe they'd understand that the grief and anger can't last forever, that loss is something that must eventually be accepted and coped with and integrated into your life as you move on. Janeway is a pervasive, influential presence throughout Unworthy and Children of the Storm. The books serve her character very well even though she isn't in them as a living person. I think these Janeway fans would appreciate the books if they allowed themselves to read them.
Well said. Trek fans can hold a grudge with the best of thembut you nailed it about her presence in Unworthy & even Full Circle (can't speak on the new one since it has been in transit for a few weeks). I loved them & wish the nay sayers would give 'em a chance.
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Old June 14 2011, 01:14 AM   #88
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They take Janeway's death like it is a persoanal attack. PD told me he got numerous hate mail saying he doesn't respect women and hated Janeway whereas kiling her wasn't his call. 1) I don't understand why some people want to personally attack an author in a franchise where the author doesn't have the final say before publishing and 2) Why they can't accept that in this carer, sometimes people die. Many of the greatest explorers died on the job yet their expeditions went on, often with the men wanting to honor their captain. You dishonor the captain when you give up.

"Well the books are missing Tuvok too." Well, do you REALLY expect someone to spend their entire career aboard 1 ship? The mission continues and the characters left are true to the way they were in the show. When you look at what the series has kept as opposed to what it has lost, it still has the majority of the elements that made it great. Beyer has kept VOY true to its roots and I think more of us appreciate these books than there are those who refuse to read because they keep publishing them.
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Old June 14 2011, 03:10 AM   #89
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I wonder if those Janeway fans who refuse to read anything set after Janeway's death have ever experienced a personal loss in their own lives. If they had, maybe they'd appreciate that it's possible to pay honor and tribute to someone even after they're gone, that they can still be a part of your life even if they aren't physically there. Maybe they'd understand that the grief and anger can't last forever, that loss is something that must eventually be accepted and coped with and integrated into your life as you move on. Janeway is a pervasive, influential presence throughout Unworthy and Children of the Storm. The books serve her character very well even though she isn't in them as a living person. I think these Janeway fans would appreciate the books if they allowed themselves to read them.
Well you think wrong, go back and actually read the comments, you will see a good number have read "Full Circle" or at least tried. This isn't what we want to read. What is so hard to understand about that. We want Voyager Books with the "real" Voyager Crew. And we are not afraid to stand up and tell the people wanting our money just what it is they have to do to get it.

Science Fiction and Trek are not about "real" life. They are escapist literature and I for one do not want to escape into death, destruction and one bloody devastating war after another.

And as for death, well I buried my mother two years ago, after spending three and a half years caring for her, it was a slow losing battle all the way, it was heartbreaking and I have no desire to relive any kind of death for entertainment. There is no honor in death, you are only dead, the real honor is in living and doing what you can to make the world better and the world would be a heck of a lot better for a lot of people if we could read books for entertainment with a living Janeway.

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Old June 14 2011, 03:27 AM   #90
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Thanks, Brit, for saying like it is. It would be nice if some in the Trek community would try to think more like human beings instead of "tough guy" cynics. I doubt Gene R. would be happy w/ the state of Trek lit today, such sadness is not what Star Trek is about. PS I read (most of) Full Circle and (most of) Unworthy and that's why I'm not interested in this new "Voy" book. Enough is enough, don't need to spend my time on more of the same, bring KJ back! (We know she lives.)
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