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View Poll Results: How Much Did You Enjoy X-MEN: FIRST CLASS?
A+ (Great Movie!) 73 35.61%
A (Entertained a lot!) 93 45.37%
B (Was okay, not bad) 30 14.63%
C (Below expectations) 6 2.93%
D (Very bad) 2 0.98%
F (Intolerable, want money back) 1 0.49%
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Old June 6 2011, 03:43 PM   #196
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Re: X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!**

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I don't like the way Mystique's make-up seems to have got lighter as time has gone on. The darker blue looked much better.
I've honestly not been a fan of Mystique's design at all in any of the movies. She looks too much like a lizard.
Octopus.
She's supposed to resemble an Octopus.
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Old June 6 2011, 03:45 PM   #197
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She hocks fireballs like loogies. Angel is her real name too right? Angel Salvator?
Yeah it is.

And this is actually what she looks like so Dragonfly would have been much more acceptable
Maybe Damselfly.
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Old June 6 2011, 03:45 PM   #198
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Well, she doesn't.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:47 PM   #199
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Speaking of Mystique, and not to sound like a pig or anything... but was anybody else a bit distracted by how much... thicker and curvier this version was compared to the previous one we've seen?

Obviously Lawrence is still sexy as hell, and she played the part beautifully, but it did seem a bit odd that they chose someone with such a completely different body type from before.

Of course, McAvoy didn't sound or look remotely like Stewart either, so I guess it's one of those things you just have to roll with.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:53 PM   #200
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Speaking of Mystique, and not to sound like a pig or anything... but was anybody else a bit distracted by how much... thicker and curvier this version was compared to the previous one we've seen?

Obviously Lawrence is still sexy as hell, and she played the part beautifully, but it did seem a bit odd that they chose someone with such a completely different body type from before.
Well, that's the beauty of Mystique. She can look however the hell she wants.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:53 PM   #201
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Roll with it indeed. You could say McEvoy looked a bit chubby as well in some scenes, but whatever.
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Old June 6 2011, 05:04 PM   #202
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Speaking of Mystique, and not to sound like a pig or anything... but was anybody else a bit distracted by how much... thicker and curvier this version was compared to the previous one we've seen?

Obviously Lawrence is still sexy as hell, and she played the part beautifully, but it did seem a bit odd that they chose someone with such a completely different body type from before.

Of course, McAvoy didn't sound or look remotely like Stewart either, so I guess it's one of those things you just have to roll with.
From what I heard, McAvoy went in doing Stewart impression and Vaughn told him to not do that and do his own version of the character. That could possibly give credence to the
reboot theory.
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Old June 6 2011, 05:09 PM   #203
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I'm gonna go with soft reboot-prequel and hopefully not a standalone movie. I'd like to see this incarnation of the X-Men go on for another 2 movies. With the inclusion of young Scott, Jean and Ororo and a few other memorable X-men members of course.
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Old June 6 2011, 07:36 PM   #204
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Angel reminded me of Ultimate Wasp, especially when she was gobbing acid around.
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Old June 6 2011, 07:47 PM   #205
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I gave it a solid "A." It wasn't quite exceptional or A-plus-worthy, but I thought it was by far the best in the series, followed by X-Men United.

The movie had a strong plot, great cinematography, and some really talented lead actors. James McAvoy's young Charles Xavier was portrayed as a flirtatious young man who grew up in luxury and never really had to suffer as much as his counterpart Erik Lensherr, who had a traumatic childhood and thus was filled with rage and a thirst for revenge for the people who wronged him. In the comics, Xavier didn't exactly have a perfect childhood as he was abused by his stepbrother, Cain Marko (Juggernaut), and stepfather. Seeing as Juggernaut wasn't really linked to Charles Xavier in X-Men 3, I can understand why Xavier's upbringing was quite different in the movies.

Michael Fassbender had such a magnetic effect on me. He played a tormented soul, Erik Lensherr, scarred for life by his painful childhood. Although he was a powerful and strong mutant, there was a sense of vulnerability about him. Maybe it's just the actor's good looks and charisma. *Sigh*
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Old June 6 2011, 08:48 PM   #206
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I'd have to go with - great plot, uneven characterization.

Loved the tone, and it was definitely *clever*.

Missing a few key elements for me -

Angel's defection - didn't care.

Raven's defection - didn't work. Not invested enough. The Beast/Magneto/Raven triangle didn't have enough of a hook. Her hurt when Hank decides to take the "cure" nearly played out, but not quite. I never really bought her throwing herself at Eric.

Magneto's arc was nearly just right, but something bothered me. Eric's whole point, the reason you can cheer for him is, he's been persecuted by *humans* his whole life. If now he's just after the mutant who killed his mother... well, doesn't it undercut the character? When Eric tells Sebastian "I agree with everything you've said..." I realized why I wasn't buying this.

Sebastian's death, linked to Charles, was brilliantly done. Erik's speech just after was abrupt and odd.

I thought Charles/Erik needed more push and pull. More moments of respect for each other, more moments of realizing this was not going to work. The tone was there, but not the meat. I wanted a few more moments where they each saw the right in what the other was doing.

Worth seeing, but a little frustrating in what was missing.
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Old June 6 2011, 08:52 PM   #207
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Ravens defection did seem a little forced, however I thought Erik's was not, I thought it was fairly clear the direction it went. I am sorry there won't be more adventures with Charles and Erik, I wish we could have had one more move with them working together, especially with Charles walking.
But it seems like one of the goals of this movie was setting up Magneto with Mystique opposite to Charles and the Xmen and it worked for me.
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Old June 6 2011, 09:41 PM   #208
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Raven/Mystique's defection made sense to me. Her life-long friend seemed to encourage her to maintain the human form and even acted a bit visible repulsed by it at one point (the other time it was more her nudity than the form, but when she comes out of the shower in a robe in the Mystique form his reaction is hardly kind.)

So her life-long friend, and a man whom she seemed to have more the platonic interest in, wanted her to remain hidden and she even got a hint of jealousy as he was helping the others hone their abilities rather than her.

Then she falls in love with a man who understands what she goes through in having to hide who he really is -though simply wearing shoes strikes me as easier than having to use your concentration to maintain a human appearance- is very repulsed by her natural appearance.

Then we've got this other guy, Erik. Who actually encourages her to maintain her natural form, shows her that keeping a human form is tying her hands in her abilities.

Mystique's defection made sense to the only person between Charles, Hank, and Erik who was helping her realize her "true self" and wasn't bothered by her real appearance was was Erik. So of course she'd choose to follow him.
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Old June 6 2011, 09:44 PM   #209
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I think Mystique here is a good metaphor for how Jean Grey normally is.
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Old June 6 2011, 09:54 PM   #210
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I'd have to go with - great plot, uneven characterization.

Loved the tone, and it was definitely *clever*.

Missing a few key elements for me -

Angel's defection - didn't care.

Raven's defection - didn't work. Not invested enough. The Beast/Magneto/Raven triangle didn't have enough of a hook. Her hurt when Hank decides to take the "cure" nearly played out, but not quite. I never really bought her throwing herself at Eric.

Magneto's arc was nearly just right, but something bothered me. Eric's whole point, the reason you can cheer for him is, he's been persecuted by *humans* his whole life. If now he's just after the mutant who killed his mother... well, doesn't it undercut the character? When Eric tells Sebastian "I agree with everything you've said..." I realized why I wasn't buying this.

Sebastian's death, linked to Charles, was brilliantly done. Erik's speech just after was abrupt and odd.

I thought Charles/Erik needed more push and pull. More moments of respect for each other, more moments of realizing this was not going to work. The tone was there, but not the meat. I wanted a few more moments where they each saw the right in what the other was doing.

Worth seeing, but a little frustrating in what was missing.
Agreed.

Plus, after reading Erik's mind and knowing how dangerous he was. I just couldn't see Charles telling her to go with him. I didn't see a strong enough bond between Erik & Raven yet. Maybe if the romantic interest was between the two of them instead of McCoy, I could but as it played out I don't. Plus there is no indication in X-Men 1-3 that Charles & Raven have/had ANY type of relationship at all. Chales is all "My Friend, My Friend" to Magneto but acts like Mystique doesn't exist at all.
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