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Old June 6 2011, 11:19 AM   #3661
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I wouldn't disagree with that assesment at all, and I think Everton/Villa/Spurs is roughly where we are in terms of International footy, and I think in many respects we punch above our weight. Certainly even though we have good players we tend to lack strength in depth at times.

When he became manager of Derby, the first thing Clough did was have them take down all the old trophies/pictures etc because he wanted the team to build its own history, and I've long said England won't do shit until someone has the gut to say "Fuck 1966, it was 45 years ago."

Unlikely given the British media. We're either the shittest team in the world, or the best team in the world, there's no inbetween, which is a shame cos sometimes it'd be good to celebrate that we make the quarters etc.
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Old June 6 2011, 02:04 PM   #3662
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Can you imagine the wankfest that the media would whip themselves up to if we ever won the World Cup again?!

Yeah - I think the likes of Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina etc are far superior now. Everton or Villa is about right.
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Old June 6 2011, 02:50 PM   #3663
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Yeah but how many times have we had great young talent coming through? I can remember when Beckham, Owen, Ferdinand et al were all great young talent.
Beckham, Ferdinand and Owen were that good though but sadly certain parts of the team weren't up to that level mainly the depth of the squad. 2002 WC and Euro 2004, we had fantastic chances to win something but we lossed the real WC final against Brazil in the last 8, the winner of that was always going to win the overall tournament and 2004 we defended our 1-0 lead when we should of attacked.

Beckham, Owen, A.Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, G.Neville who were the best of the former generation could walk into any club team back then at their peaks but sadly you need a team to win a tournament NOT 7 players from 23.

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Yeah - I think the likes of Spain, Brazil, Germany, Argentina etc are far superior now.
Before that thrashing from Germany at the World Cup, I always felt ENG played better against touger opposition but the problem was they normally finished even results and of course in a WC or EURO...Pens follow that result

Apart from Brazil, Germany and Spain, I don't think ENG have to worry that much because we can beat the likes of France, Italy, Holland, even Argentina (who we have a superior record against) and co but of course generally we might have less of the ball during the game but until Fabio came along our defence was normally pretty strong when fit.

The Problem is were not doing what Blanc is doing with the French team and thats making wholesale changes. Capello seems so arrogrant he refuses to see what doesn't work and keeps trying it over and over to show us all hes right, Well Fabio guess what you'll never be right. ENG won't win 2012 but really its time we made a semi final again in a major tournament.
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Old June 6 2011, 03:48 PM   #3664
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^^ France outclassed us at Wembley not long ago. We'll soon play Holland so that'll be a good measure.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:05 PM   #3665
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^^ France outclassed us at Wembley not long ago. We'll soon play Holland so that'll be a good measure.
France slipped up at the weekend like us with a 1-1 draw and against a worser team than the Swiss so there not great yet. Capello got so many things wrong against France like Jordan Henderson in an anchor role and I was talking about an ENG team without Capello anyway.

Every single match bar the one defeat in 2001 since we beat thrashed them at Euro 96 has finished a draw and we have played them alot since 1996 so I expect another draw but generally their good matches.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:14 PM   #3666
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I think generally England are one of a clutch of European nations who're suffering at the moment. Besides ourselves there's France, Italy, maybe Portugal, and maybe Holland.

I think everyone's a fair way behind Spain and Germany.

As I said above, I think we have the talent coming through, and eventually, given a decent manager he could get the most out of them. Sadly, at the moment, we're a long way off the pace.

Given the number of really good youngsters who must be close to breaking through into the senior team, I wonder if the FA would be tempted to give Stuart Pearce a crack? He has after all managed the U21s very well, for a good amount of time. He'd have that understanding and respect from the players.
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Old June 6 2011, 04:35 PM   #3667
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The Netherlands are 6 for 6 in this Euro 2012 qualification so far and reached the finals of the World Cup last year. I would love to suffer like that.
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Old June 6 2011, 05:00 PM   #3668
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^^ Yeah fair point. It wasn't really Holland that I was thinking of primarily, but again, I wouldn't put them in the same bracket as Spain and Germany.
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Old June 6 2011, 05:11 PM   #3669
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I wonder if the FA would be tempted to give Stuart Pearce a crack? He has after all managed the U21s very well, for a good amount of time. He'd have that understanding and respect from the players.
I would have Pearce as the Asst Manager behind Redknapp with his Spurs team of Bond/Jordan as caoches alongside Ray Clemence as goalie coach + England medical/physio team lead by the great Gary Lewin.

Pearce needs a vital role for the reason you stated the U21 players for the future are his players.
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Old June 6 2011, 07:40 PM   #3670
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Can you imagine the wankfest that the media would whip themselves up to if we ever won the World Cup again?!
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Old June 6 2011, 08:01 PM   #3671
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I think generally England are one of a clutch of European nations who're suffering at the moment. Besides ourselves there's France, Italy, maybe Portugal, and maybe Holland.

I think everyone's a fair way behind Spain and Germany.

As I said above, I think we have the talent coming through, and eventually, given a decent manager he could get the most out of them. Sadly, at the moment, we're a long way off the pace.

Given the number of really good youngsters who must be close to breaking through into the senior team, I wonder if the FA would be tempted to give Stuart Pearce a crack? He has after all managed the U21s very well, for a good amount of time. He'd have that understanding and respect from the players.
As long as he now realises he has to pick 10 outfield players and a goalkeeper
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Old June 7 2011, 03:51 PM   #3672
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It's ok, Henry Kissinger and Placido Domingo will drum the corruption out of FIFA!

Seriously? Blatter really has lost the plot now...
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Old June 8 2011, 12:16 AM   #3673
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Liverpool must like getting ripped off...

Jordan Henderson to have medical on wednesday over potential deal worth £20 million
am sure some are later add ons but come on FFS, got Sunderland have gotten £44 million from Bent n Him in 2011 so they have serious cash to splash. Surprised that they seemed to have cooled on buying Charlie Adams who is £8 million probably and at his peak.

Well the Torres money is gone now.

Sunderland need to spend well or I can see a relegation fight for them.
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Old June 8 2011, 09:44 AM   #3674
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Fair play though, Liverpool are assembling a pretty decent squad, and a squad that could form the next generation of England players - Kelly, Flanagan, Henderson, Carroll.
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Old June 8 2011, 11:03 AM   #3675
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How is Henderson worth £20 million when it looks like Utd will be able to buy Ashley Young for just £16?

Actually I guess Young only has a year left on his contract so I've answered my own question!
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