X-MEN: FIRST CLASS - Grading+Discussion **SPOILERS!**

[Set Harth]

This is looking more and more like a reboot.

[Mutenroshi]

More or less, but after exiting the theater I thought "who fucking cares?"

[Temis the Vorta]

Admiral2 wrote:

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So it's the director's fault. Bastard!!!

Considering they've always fucked up Prof X's accent (the character being American), it's a bit late to start complaining about lack of attention to detail in that regards. But it does show a lack of respect on the directors' part for the integrity of the characters.

Looks like the opening is a bit soft. Doesn't surprise me - there are just too many comic book (and comic book-like) movies jostling around each summer, and the ones that don't have an obvious reason to go see them will get lost.

There's no big hook to this movie to get people into the theater. The X-Men movies to date didn't create some huge curiosity to see their origins. Who really cares where or why they came about? None of the actors are big draws. It's an easy movie to ignore.

I personally can't see either McAvoy as Prof X or Fassbinder as Magneto, although they might be perfectly good actors for other roles. As a longtime X-Men comics fan, I just don't recognize the characters as they've been presented in the movies, and the trend has been getting worse as the series goes along.

For X-Men to have a Bond-like atmosphere (if true) is just completely wrong for the story. The comics in the 60s never had anything Bond-like about them. They were far too serious for that.

[Admiral_Young]

^ You Post this Temis...and yet the reactions in this thread would totally disagree with you. I'm not surprised the box office intake so far is on the small side. I predicted months ago (not in any thread) that this would probably take in around $50 million in it's opening weekend and if it was a critical success (which is seems to be so far) it would continue to grow. This will be a word of mouth movie.

[Chess Piece Face]

This is the best X movie. Gave it an A. Definitely worth seeing.

[Wereghost]

Saw it today. I rate it an A. Great escapist nonsense with a socially relevant theme. McAvoy and Fassbender were great, with the latter practically stealing the show even if Mags seems to have learnt English in Northern Ireland . Mystique and the Beast were great additions; wish they'd given the latter a few more polysyllabic words though. Other than that, I also really liked the scene where Banshee starts learning to fly. It's always a pleasure when a familiar comic book character is realised well on screen. Good thing they made him American, too; the comic book version's speech patterns are a little off.

[paudemge]

I really enjoyed this movie, this is my favorite X-men movie yet.
I do have a question , I used to read xmen a long time ago and I only remember Emma Frost being a telepath, did she ever gain the 'diamond' skin power in the comics?

[Admiral_Young]

Emma's diamond form is directly from the comics. Grant Morrison gave it to her at the start of his New X-Men run.

[paudemge]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Emma's diamond form is directly from the comics. Grant Morrison gave it to her at the start of his New X-Men run.

Well, its been awhile since i've read xmen, or any comics for that matter. Although I do have a lot of older ones, i'm not up to speed on anything from about the mid 90's up.

[captcalhoun]

Banshee's accent should be Irish, not Scottish, Admiral.

[Ethros]

Speaking of accents, maybe it was just me, but did it seem that Fassbender's accent changed towards the end of the movie? For the most part he had a English accent more or less. But it just seemed when he was talking near the end (ie. the beach scenes) it sounded more like he had an American twang.



I'll probably see it again sometime soon, can't stop watching the trailer, so good.
"You ready for this?"
"Let's find out!"

[Gotham Central]

I'm not really an X-Men fan but I did find the film enjoyable.

Things that did not make sense to me:

1) Why did Xavier mind wipe Moira? Did he think she would betray him in some way? What was the point. All that did was effectively discredit her for her superiors.

2) Why exactly did the US and Russians suddenly get all buddy buddy and decide to kill the mutants on the beach? That actually made no sense...and in the context of the Cold War actually makes even less sense. The US government discovers that mutants exist. it hires some of them...who show that they have the ability to find other mutants and recruit them into working for the US government. They put them into the field, they stop a war and then that same government decides to KILL THEIR OWN AGENTS FOR NO REASON. They had not gone rogue, they'd proven their value in the field by successfully infiltrating the Soviet Union...yet they turn on them for no reason. That plot development needed to be fleshed out more. I get that in the Marvel universe people think superpowers are scary instead of cool...but this was just illogical.

3) How is Xavier "hiding" by opening a school at his FAMILY HOME?

[Wereghost]

Ethros wrote:

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Speaking of accents, maybe it was just me, but did it seem that Fassbender's accent changed towards the end of the movie? For the most part he had a English accent more or less. But it just seemed when he was talking near the end (ie. the beach scenes) it sounded more like he had an American twang.

American, Northern Irish and more than a hint of English imo. Perhaps Erik's been quite the globetrotter. (Fassbender is Geman-N.Irish, btw.)

[Pauln6]

I was apprehensive but the movie turned out to be very good. It does play around with the characters' histories a bit but nothing too offensive. Marvel has always played it a bit loose with character ages but I think Storm, Cyclops, and Jean in X1 were meant to be a fair bit older than their comic versions. If Storm was alive in '62 then she would be 40+ in X1. Thus, making Havok 10 years older than the version of Scott we see really isn't a terrible stretch. Gambit must be quite old too following his appearance in Wolverine.

I felt that the Beast had a nice, self-enclosed arc in X3 to the point where they wouldn't need to use him again, so using him in the prequel worked really well. Nightcrawler's story clearly isn't done though considering their choice of characters in the prequel. Banshee and Havok's training was handled well.

Moira was the strangest one for me. It looked like her part was written for Carol Danvers and then at the last minute they bunged in Moira instead. Of all of them, she has definitely aged the best in X3, unless you include Emma Frost, who seemed about ten years younger in Wolverine... If the use Emma again I'm sure they will hand wave away the fact that she should be about sixty. If they don't, I really hope she starts to moderate her outfits...

I'd still prefer to see X4 (I'd hate to see classic plots ending up in the past) but I admit that the prequel franchise has legs too.

[Set Harth]

Pauln6 wrote:

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Of all of them, she has definitely aged the best in X3

I hadn't thought of that...