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Old May 30 2011, 10:34 PM   #181
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Nice. I missed the rumor back in March. I'm so glad they're using subtitles. I hate boring "So and so 2" or "So and so Part II" titles.
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Old May 31 2011, 02:59 AM   #182
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The titles and release dates for the films have been announced.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - December 14, 2012.
The Hobbit: There and Back Again - December 13, 2013.

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I can't wait for the inevitable 10th anniversary Blu-ray director's edition of the original trilogy to go along with the inevitable Blu-ray director's edition of the Hobbit duology.

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Old May 31 2011, 03:09 AM   #183
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Suddenly a bad feeling has come to mind: I really hope the recent trend of having Blu-ray exclusive extras (and not just a few, but a lot) doesn't extend to The Hobbit's eventual release. I'll be livid if I can't experience the same joy with extras on the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs. I really hate this trend right now, but I'll lose my mind if this happens.
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Old May 31 2011, 05:41 AM   #184
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Suddenly a bad feeling has come to mind: I really hope the recent trend of having Blu-ray exclusive extras (and not just a few, but a lot) doesn't extend to The Hobbit's eventual release. I'll be livid if I can't experience the same joy with extras on the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs. I really hate this trend right now, but I'll lose my mind if this happens.
Oh, in one form or another I am sure Warners will release something for everyone. It might be the fourth time to the well, but eventually....
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Old May 31 2011, 06:43 AM   #185
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Fan theory (which I agree with) is that the films will be bookended by scenes with Ian Holm as older Bilbo reading "There and Back Again" to young Frodo.
It's going to be a bit more than that, I think. The casting of Orlando Bloom and numerous other LOTR-only characters, coupled with the confirmed casting of Holm (which I only just found out about) indicates to me the whole film is going to be a flashback, probably set within the events of LOTR during one of the Rivendell visits; probably a later one as there's no sign of Arwen an Aragorn.

Pretty dumb, but hey they have to find some way to justify padding the thing to two movies.

What annoys me is Jackson made such an effort to be true to the LOTR books (Tom Bombadil notwithstanding) yet here he is seriously farting about with, frankly, a book that's even more beloved than LOTR. Rankin and Bass made a fine animated film of the thing, complete with musical numbers, in 90 minutes and it covered the complete story. I'm fine with Jackson making The Hobbit but I'm not interested in it becoming Lord of the Rings Book 5 and 6.

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Old May 31 2011, 07:50 AM   #186
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It's going to be a bit more than that, I think. The casting of Orlando Bloom and numerous other LOTR-only characters, coupled with the confirmed casting of Holm (which I only just found out about) indicates to me the whole film is going to be a flashback, probably set within the events of LOTR during one of the Rivendell visits; probably a later one as there's no sign of Arwen an Aragorn.

Pretty dumb, but hey they have to find some way to justify padding the thing to two movies.
Every other LOTR character that has been mentioned thus far (Legolas and Galadriel, specifically) can all very easily appear in The Hobbit without it being a flashback like you describe. Elrond was already in the book anyway, when Gandalf brought the group to Rivendell to translate Thorin's map. Also, as Emh posted earlier, it's now confirmed that the White Council and their assault on Dol Guldur will play an expanded role in The Hobbit. Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel (along with Saruman and Radagast) were all members of the White Council.

As for Legolas, well, that's easy. Legolas' father was Thranduil, who was king of the Elves in Mirkwood. That makes it very easy to place Legolas in some of the Mirkwood scenes when Bilbo, Thorin, et al, are there.

Heck, if they really wanted, they could even have Arwen make a brief cameo during the group's stop in Rivendell. Aragorn could also technically appear, but at that time he was just a boy of ten years old who had yet to be told of his ancestry.
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Old May 31 2011, 08:16 AM   #187
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It's going to be a bit more than that, I think. The casting of Orlando Bloom and numerous other LOTR-only characters, coupled with the confirmed casting of Holm (which I only just found out about) indicates to me the whole film is going to be a flashback, probably set within the events of LOTR during one of the Rivendell visits; probably a later one as there's no sign of Arwen an Aragorn.

Pretty dumb, but hey they have to find some way to justify padding the thing to two movies.
Every other LOTR character that has been mentioned thus far (Legolas and Galadriel, specifically) can all very easily appear in The Hobbit without it being a flashback like you describe. Elrond was already in the book anyway, when Gandalf brought the group to Rivendell to translate Thorin's map. Also, as Emh posted earlier, it's now confirmed that the White Council and their assault on Dol Guldur will play an expanded role in The Hobbit. Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel (along with Saruman and Radagast) were all members of the White Council.

As for Legolas, well, that's easy. Legolas' father was Thranduil, who was king of the Elves in Mirkwood. That makes it very easy to place Legolas in some of the Mirkwood scenes when Bilbo, Thorin, et al, are there.

Heck, if they really wanted, they could even have Arwen make a brief cameo during the group's stop in Rivendell. Aragorn could also technically appear, but at that time he was just a boy of ten years old who had yet to be told of his ancestry.
Beat me to it. That's precisely what I was about to say.

Now, if they start adding people like Theoden, Boromir (although Bean has already said he's not returning), Gimli (Rhys-Davies has said the same thing), Faramir, etc., then it gets excessive. Adding Sam, Merry, and Pippin can work (they could be there with Frodo) but I don't want that happen. There's been rumors about Merry and Pippin but nothing has come out of them as of yet.
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Old June 1 2011, 01:33 AM   #188
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Is Jackson going to ignore X-Men: The Last Stand?
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Old June 1 2011, 01:35 AM   #189
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Of course not.
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Old June 1 2011, 02:09 AM   #190
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He'd better not. Magneto plays an important role in the story.
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Old June 1 2011, 03:30 AM   #191
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I don't know how I feel about Legolas being in the film. He's pretty useless unless someone needs to be informed that...

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!!!!

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Old June 1 2011, 03:44 AM   #192
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I don't know how I feel about Legolas being in the film. He's pretty useless unless someone needs to be informed that...

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!!!!

This is a terrible thing to get stuck in my head right before I'm about to try and go to sleep. Damn you, sir.
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Old June 1 2011, 05:12 AM   #193
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The only reason Legolas wasn't in the book was because the character hadn't been invented yet. In retrospect he was probably there at the time.
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Old June 1 2011, 05:15 AM   #194
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He'll be there in The Hobbit: Special Edition, coming to bookstores next year!
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Old June 1 2011, 05:22 AM   #195
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Actually, the Hobbit already is a "special edition", after having been altered in the fifties and sixties to more closely fit with LOTR.

Maybe they'll release an Extra Special edition.
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