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Old May 7 2011, 01:36 AM   #361
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Re: NCC-1701 USS Enterprise Deck by Deck - WIP

And here's the latest:



Worked all day today on getting the base model for the helm fleshed out. Now it's time to detail it.
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Old May 7 2011, 05:55 AM   #362
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Re: NCC-1701 USS Enterprise Deck by Deck - WIP

I'm not sure how important lighting is to the accuracy of your recreation, but all of those coloured lights on the bridge are too much. Are you lighting the set solely from those coloured overhead lights?
From a quick observation (although I'm sure some diehard fan will know for a sure to correct me), it looks like the lighting on the bridge is from regular white spotlights in the center circle part of the roof facing across the opposite side to which they are on. I'm seeing a lot of top down shadows on those outer chairs in your renders. I don't think those coloured lights were strong enough to be casting shadows, and it's washing out some of your detail.
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Old May 7 2011, 11:57 AM   #363
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I'm not sure how important lighting is to the accuracy of your recreation, but all of those coloured lights on the bridge are too much. Are you lighting the set solely from those coloured overhead lights?
From a quick observation (although I'm sure some diehard fan will know for a sure to correct me), it looks like the lighting on the bridge is from regular white spotlights in the center circle part of the roof facing across the opposite side to which they are on. I'm seeing a lot of top down shadows on those outer chairs in your renders. I don't think those coloured lights were strong enough to be casting shadows, and it's washing out some of your detail.
I've got one omni per sconce at .65 multiplier and a single spot in the center of the bridge at .55. And yeah, I am liking the effect less and less. I put 3 omnis around the helm and barely got enough light on it to get it out of shadow. Put the spot in to add a little and it proved way too much even at .55; so, definitely have more tweaking to do in order to get the balance I need.

The real tell on just how much the omnis on the perimeter are doing is shown in the first image in the area around the viewscreen. There are no lighting sconces in that area and it is quite dark compared to the rest of the bridge. Need to find a fix for that as well.
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Old May 7 2011, 02:12 PM   #364
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I've done some searching and found a couple of photos of the bridge lights (hopefully the link works). If you look at this pic and the next one in the set, you'll see that the main lighting is in that center part as I suspected, most likely changed based on the camera angle. I don't think those coloured extra bits add any lighting. I don't know where the light source for the meshy bit over the turbolift door comes from.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/birdoft...n/photostream/

If I were lighting that set, I'd probably add spotlights to match those approximate positions, then use final gather to sort out the rest. You may not want to go with a realistic final gather setup though if you want to keep that clean diagram type look though, plus your render times would be significantly longer.
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Old May 10 2011, 07:07 PM   #365
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Nice work, havoc92! As someone who's tackled making original Enterprise interiors myself, I know this can be an undertaking! Love that you're putting so much effort in getting the console buttons canon!
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Old May 11 2011, 04:51 PM   #366
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Dude- I dig the lighting... And it really does reflect what they did on the show. We've all seen scenes were a blue (and it was blue that was affected most) was more violet sometimes and blue other- in the same episode.
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Old May 11 2011, 05:05 PM   #367
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Will probably work a bit on lighting before doing the next full bridge set render; but, here's where I currently am.
Dug throught the prop auction pics to get some of the detail shots I needed.

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Old May 14 2011, 01:35 AM   #368
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Ok, been a busy boy today..




Still have to build the timer wheel mechanism for the chronometer. Next will be the targeting scanner and it's compartment.
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Old May 17 2011, 08:25 PM   #369
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So pretty much all the detail work is done for the chronometer. Got really good refs on the internals of the scanner that I've been pouring over
and trying to get a handle on. So, the scanner is the next bit.
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Old May 21 2011, 02:57 PM   #370
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Trimming polys at the moment; but, here's where the latest asset stands:





The amount of detail on the helm has it un-exportable; so, doing a lot of trimming to try and
bring the polycount down. The compartment for the scanner has been cut in; but, the scanner
at the moment will likely be handled as a seperate asset.
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Old May 21 2011, 11:56 PM   #371
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This is getting better and better. I cant wait to see it finished.
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Old May 22 2011, 11:38 PM   #372
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Trimmed, exported. Took quite a bit of choppin; but, it doesn't show, so I'm happy






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Old May 23 2011, 07:21 PM   #373
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Looking Great!!
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Old May 29 2011, 08:53 PM   #374
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Been playing with the lighting levels and looking at some of the reflectivity issues. Think I've about got them licked.
Big problem is that the command platform was nearly white; so, it was reflecting everything back. I lowered the
multipliers on all the perimeter lights by 10 percent and that helped substantially. But the lighting near the turbolift
is still an issue I'm working. Part of the problem right now is that a section of glass that would filter the light is not
in place.. hasn't been created yet. Another issue is that the ceiling area there includes two seperate lighting
sconce types that I have not joined together as yet, so I'm getting a lot of bleed through as well. Real happy with
the latest renders even with the remaining problems.
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Old May 29 2011, 10:43 PM   #375
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The set is looking good havoc92. I'm assuming that the command platform is still work-in-progress? In the reference pics I have it has black sides and carpeted top, so the reflections from it in completed form should be minimal. I think from looking at various pics of the bridge, the colored perimeter lights make little contribution in the majority of scenes and that a circular set of white ceiling lights is what does the primary lighting. Anyway, keep up the good work!
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