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Old May 23 2011, 04:28 PM   #2656
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Just got done viewing the latest StarTrek (2009) movie.

Disclaimer: The following review is MY OPINION. Please dont get your panties in a bunch if you dont agree with it, nor feel I am starting trouble by expressing MY OPINION.

OK, I dont usually catch movies as soon as they come out and often wait for DVD releases. So I just got done with JJ Abram's rendition of Star Trek yesterday and...

I didn't really know what to make of it. I can sum it up like this: it's like finding a diamond in a pile of shit.

1. Acting: outstanding (by some). Portrayals of Scotty, Chekhov, Sulu, Bones and Spock where right on.

2. Direction/Production/Special Effects: another win. We finally get to appreciate the internal size of the Enterprise among other things.

3. Character development: Sucked!!!

Romulans came across like greasy humans with pointy ears and tattooed faces. Didn't come across as another alien species at all.

Vulcans came across, again as just humans with pointy ears. Their stoic disposition compromised by subtle emotional attitudes and demeanor. However, Spock came across as more Vulcan than the pure-blood Vulcans...and he's half human. Maybe that was intentional...I dont know.

Gratuitous sex: a sign of an adolescent mind eager to prove "that there is nothing wrong with sex so I'll just show it to prove my point." I felt like I was watching a 1970s flick. A mature mind will say the same but also realize that sex has it's place in society and in film making as well. If it doesnt add to the film then it's just fapping material.

The whole Spock/Uhura love affair was just bizarre. Granted this movie is an alternate reality version of Star Trek (given you can have an old Spock and a young Spock living in the same universe together) but Spock and Uhura? C'mon guys. Next you'll be telling me Darth Vader built C-3PO.

Oh, wait...


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Zaldana's portrayal of Uhura was lacking and unconvincing. She did not add to the dignified disposition nor the intellectual demeanor that Nichelle Nichols did to the character. The only thing they had in common was that they are both black, female, and wore 1960s min-skirts.

Kirk in bed with the green chick: Again, just gratuitous soft porn. The green chick came across as some cerebrally vacant white chick in green dye. Nothing more. If you are going to do this, make her exotic (you're getting it on with a freaking alien for crying out loud). Show us why Orion women are know as master's of seduction. Otherwise you just have a fetish for green skin. Shrek, never turn your back on Kirk, so Watch out!!

In short, this movie could have been renamed "Beverly Hills 90210 in Space."

Lastly: Kirk.

Boy I had trouble with his character. I know this is science fiction but as with all fiction, there has to be an element of reality to it, otherwise it's labeled "fantasy."

Since TOP GUN, we were led to beleive that rebels without a cause and those that buck against the system (especially in military like organizations) somehow win in the end for being, well...assholes.

It doesn't work that way in the real world.

Kirk came across as some punk kid that got extremely lucky and was advanced solely on the basis of that luck alone. Furthermore I failed to undertand how Spock, a Starfleet officer suddenly came under the command of this punk kid, or how Capt Pike decided to make him (Kirk) first officer in the first place.

I come from a military background so I have some concept of "chain of command." But this is fiction, so some logic was naturally thrown out the window to make the movie work, I guess.

The Future:

From what I've picked up on line there will be sequels. One thing I read in particular kept focusing on the Pon Farr scenes between Spock and Uhura. Pon Farr is just a fancy term for Vulcan sex.

That alone turned me off so I doubt I will be catching any sequels. No doubt Abrams wants to push the edge, so dont be surprised if Sulu's character comes out as gay in honor of George Takei. When it comes to homosexuality in science fiction I always say there are two possibilities:

1. It has become universally accepted and it doesn't even draw attention.

or

2. It doesn't exist anymore because a cure has been found for it.

#2 always gets people chomping at the bit, but that's another topic altogether.

Overall, StarTrek 2009 would have been a great movie but it fell short IMO.

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Old May 23 2011, 05:25 PM   #2657
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Re: Just got done viewing the latest StarTrek (2009) movie.

I felt it was okay. There were just certain short-comings in the story that were hard for me to overcome. But I like Star Trek in general and not seeing the sequel on the big screen would just feel wrong.

Besides I need to see it so I can come in here and bitch.
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Old May 23 2011, 05:30 PM   #2658
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Old May 23 2011, 05:37 PM   #2659
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Re: Just got done viewing the latest StarTrek (2009) movie.

There is an entire forum specifically dedicated to discussing this film and its sequel due in June 2012.

Pretty easy to pick up on the fact that the sequel is well into pre-production and a first-draft script has been completed. Beyond that, there is little if any reliable information as to the story or how character relationships will develop, so discounting the film at this point based on rumors of Spock/Uhura sex is quite premature. Also, to define Pon Farr as merely a synonym for sex is simply wrong. I suggest you watch TOS "Amok Time" for a thorough explanation.

As for Sulu, wild speculation again should have little bearing on your decision to see the film or not. Besides, the idea of sci-fi having only two choices of how to present homosexuality is quite simplistic and unimaginative. I won't take the bait of commenting further on that opinion.

I, for one, am greatly looking forward to Star Trek XII and will indeed see it at the cinema as intended.
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Old May 23 2011, 05:43 PM   #2660
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Re: Just got done viewing the latest StarTrek (2009) movie.

I couldn't agree more about the character development. This is hopefully something they make time for in the sequel.
But I don't at all understand your point about anything gratuitous. The only thing remotely approaching it that I can recall is Kirk with the Orion chick that you mentioned, and all I recall that being was 5 seconds of them kissing while on a bed. That doesn't even classify as softcore. It's like no-core. I watched it only a week ago with my family, so I'd remember anything like that feeling awkward.

Aside from that, I agree with most of your points, not as much on the rest. But as you said, you're just giving your own opinion, so that's fine.
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Old May 23 2011, 05:51 PM   #2661
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Per HAL's request, I'm moving this next door to the Trek 2009 forum. Thanks for letting me know, HAL.
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Old May 23 2011, 05:57 PM   #2662
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Per HAL's request, I'm moving this next door to the Trek 2009 forum. Thanks for letting me know, HAL.
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Old May 24 2011, 12:26 AM   #2663
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Gratuitous sex
gratuitous soft porn
LOLwhut?

PLEASE tell me you're just overdoing the hyperbole.
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Old May 24 2011, 12:52 AM   #2664
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^I am in complete agreement with KingDaniel. While I disagree with most of Hal's post, the sex commentary is the only things that really made me stop and go, "Wait... what?!?!?" This was not the only place in Trek where they made out, and it's not even the only place where they were in their skivvies. I wouldn't go so far to call it soft porn and I definitely wouldn't call it gratuitous.

As for the next movie... anything you've read is purely fan speculation. The only thing we really know about the next movie is that it will be with this group and that it will have a bad guy. And... well, that's about it.
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Old May 24 2011, 02:20 AM   #2665
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Plus the "sex" scene as far as Kirk on top of Gaila went lasted about 4 seconds. I wouldn't call women in their bras gratuitous either. There is a lot more sex content in DS9's mirror universe.

It was a brief make out scene, end of story.

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Old May 24 2011, 08:37 PM   #2666
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^Oh, how I wish that WAS just DS9's mirror universe.

I agree tho, the scene with Gaila wasn't that big of a deal, and was a VERY small part of the movie.
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I agree tho, the scene with Gaila wasn't that big of a deal, and was a VERY small part of the movie.
But, like the tit grab in the bar, added nothing of substance to the film.
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Old May 24 2011, 10:58 PM   #2668
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I agree tho, the scene with Gaila wasn't that big of a deal, and was a VERY small part of the movie.
But, like the tit grab in the bar, added nothing of substance to the film.

The "tit grab" gave us (the audience) a reason that Uhura didn't like (or respect) Kirk for 99% of the movie. . . a major part of Kirk's arc here was that he had to earn Uhura's "Captain" (notice that she called him captain 3 times in the movie. . .the first was sarcastic and the second was disdainful). . . at the end, after risking his life and helping to save the earth, he had earned it. For it to be meaningful, however, they had to start from a position of no respect. . . that's what the "tit grab" did. . . not the bar fight, per se, not the crude pickup lines. . .


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Old May 25 2011, 07:19 AM   #2669
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Disclaimer: The following review is MY OPINION. Please dont get your panties in a bunch if you dont agree with it, nor feel I am starting trouble by expressing MY OPINION.

OK, I dont usually catch movies as soon as they come out and often wait for DVD releases. So I just got done with JJ Abram's rendition of Star Trek yesterday and...

I didn't really know what to make of it. I can sum it up like this: it's like finding a diamond in a pile of shit.

1. Acting: outstanding (by some). Portrayals of Scotty, Chekhov, Sulu, Bones and Spock where right on.

2. Direction/Production/Special Effects: another win. We finally get to appreciate the internal size of the Enterprise among other things.

3. Character development: Sucked!!!

Romulans came across like greasy humans with pointy ears and tattooed faces. Didn't come across as another alien species at all.

Vulcans came across, again as just humans with pointy ears. Their stoic disposition compromised by subtle emotional attitudes and demeanor. However, Spock came across as more Vulcan than the pure-blood Vulcans...and he's half human. Maybe that was intentional...I dont know.

Gratuitous sex: a sign of an adolescent mind eager to prove "that there is nothing wrong with sex so I'll just show it to prove my point." I felt like I was watching a 1970s flick. A mature mind will say the same but also realize that sex has it's place in society and in film making as well. If it doesnt add to the film then it's just fapping material.

The whole Spock/Uhura love affair was just bizarre. Granted this movie is an alternate reality version of Star Trek (given you can have an old Spock and a young Spock living in the same universe together) but Spock and Uhura? C'mon guys. Next you'll be telling me Darth Vader built C-3PO.

Oh, wait...


Moving along...
Zaldana's portrayal of Uhura was lacking and unconvincing. She did not add to the dignified disposition nor the intellectual demeanor that Nichelle Nichols did to the character. The only thing they had in common was that they are both black, female, and wore 1960s min-skirts.

Kirk in bed with the green chick: Again, just gratuitous soft porn. The green chick came across as some cerebrally vacant white chick in green dye. Nothing more. If you are going to do this, make her exotic (you're getting it on with a freaking alien for crying out loud). Show us why Orion women are know as master's of seduction. Otherwise you just have a fetish for green skin. Shrek, never turn your back on Kirk, so Watch out!!

In short, this movie could have been renamed "Beverly Hills 90210 in Space."

Lastly: Kirk.

Boy I had trouble with his character. I know this is science fiction but as with all fiction, there has to be an element of reality to it, otherwise it's labeled "fantasy."

Since TOP GUN, we were led to beleive that rebels without a cause and those that buck against the system (especially in military like organizations) somehow win in the end for being, well...assholes.

It doesn't work that way in the real world.

Kirk came across as some punk kid that got extremely lucky and was advanced solely on the basis of that luck alone. Furthermore I failed to undertand how Spock, a Starfleet officer suddenly came under the command of this punk kid, or how Capt Pike decided to make him (Kirk) first officer in the first place.

I come from a military background so I have some concept of "chain of command." But this is fiction, so some logic was naturally thrown out the window to make the movie work, I guess.

The Future:

From what I've picked up on line there will be sequels. One thing I read in particular kept focusing on the Pon Farr scenes between Spock and Uhura. Pon Farr is just a fancy term for Vulcan sex.

That alone turned me off so I doubt I will be catching any sequels. No doubt Abrams wants to push the edge, so dont be surprised if Sulu's character comes out as gay in honor of George Takei. When it comes to homosexuality in science fiction I always say there are two possibilities:

1. It has become universally accepted and it doesn't even draw attention.

or

2. It doesn't exist anymore because a cure has been found for it.

#2 always gets people chomping at the bit, but that's another topic altogether.

Overall, StarTrek 2009 would have been a great movie but it fell short IMO.
Wow you have an odd definition of soft porn/gratuitous sex...I didn't see ANY of that.

Character development...another odd observation. Many of the characters never had any development, in this movie they actually seem more like real people, and we get to see where Kirk and Spock come from and how they developed (and will develop most likely).

Universally everyone I talked to PREFERRED the Romulans in the movie to the way we've seen them in ST Prime.

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Old May 25 2011, 01:11 PM   #2670
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Universally everyone I talked to PREFERRED the Romulans in the movie to the way we've seen them in ST Prime.
Probably because all the Prime Romulans from TNG onward looked ridiculous. Between the unnecessary (and illogical) forehead ridges and the stupid one-size-fits-all bowl cut wigs, TNG era Romulans quickly became glorified aliens of the week. ST '09 at least gave us a character (although with dubious motivations)
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