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View Poll Results: Would you step onboard the transporter pad?
No thanks, I'll take the bus 24 55.81%
Thought you'd never ask! 19 44.19%
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Old May 19 2011, 04:54 PM   #31
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

Either way, just to be on the safe side... I'd wait for the second model to be cleared for public use.
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Old May 19 2011, 04:56 PM   #32
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

I'm not stupid, I'm not expendable, and I'm not going.
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Old May 19 2011, 09:55 PM   #33
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

BillJ wrote: View Post
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The transporter KILLS you and then creates a perfect duplicate of you somewhere else, a duplicate who has every single one of your memories except the moment of your DEATH. That's why people in the Star Trek universe think that transporters are safe. It's because people DIE every time they step onto that thing, but they can't warn anybody.
Remember what I just said. The episode "Realm of Fear" proves that the transporter does not kill you. This is because we see that Barclay's consciousness is uninterrupted - from the moment he steps onto the pad until the end of the transport. And he even sees things while being transported.
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Old May 19 2011, 09:56 PM   #34
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

??? When was it ever stated on screen that the original is destroyed?

Quite the opposite, if you look at the writer's guides and novels.
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Old May 19 2011, 09:58 PM   #35
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??? When was it ever stated on screen that the original is destroyed?
Nowhere. Not a single onscreen moment ever said that. And as I keep saying, TNG proved the opposite.
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Old May 19 2011, 10:07 PM   #36
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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
Remember what I just said. The episode "Realm of Fear" proves that the transporter does not kill you. This is because we see that Barclay's consciousness is uninterrupted - from the moment he steps onto the pad until the end of the transport. And he even sees things while being transported.
Which, of course, is impossible if your body is dematerialized. Even if the consciousness can somehow exist for a split second while the brain is disintegrated and re-constituted, how can you see without eyes and optic nerves?

At any rate, if we accept the existence of transporters within Star Trek's reality, it stands to reason that they'll never be 100 percent safe and reliable. Nothing is.
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Old May 19 2011, 10:13 PM   #37
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The ENT episode Daedalus establishes that the person transported is the original and not a copy.
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Old May 19 2011, 10:20 PM   #38
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scotpens wrote: View Post
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Remember what I just said. The episode "Realm of Fear" proves that the transporter does not kill you. This is because we see that Barclay's consciousness is uninterrupted - from the moment he steps onto the pad until the end of the transport. And he even sees things while being transported.
Which, of course, is impossible if your body is dematerialized. Even if the consciousness can somehow exist for a split second while the brain is disintegrated and re-constituted, how can you see without eyes and optic nerves?
I love how the writers never let logic get in the way of a bad episode.
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Old May 19 2011, 10:22 PM   #39
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This would have been a lot easier to explain if they had just made the transporter move people by warping space, like ships do with warp drive.
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Old May 19 2011, 10:25 PM   #40
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As much as I identify with Dr. McCoy, I'd have to give it a whirl at least once.
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Old May 19 2011, 11:34 PM   #41
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??? When was it ever stated on screen that the original is destroyed?
Nowhere. Not a single onscreen moment ever said that. And as I keep saying, TNG proved the opposite.
Not to mention that if it did work that way, no one in their right mind would use it.
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Old May 20 2011, 02:13 AM   #42
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

Not to hijack the topic but I didn't know this thread was made so I made a similar one here:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=142327

My angle though is not what the TV series says about it's physic but what would actually be occurring if this technology was developed in the real world.
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Old May 20 2011, 06:28 AM   #43
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it scans the original, destroying it in the process
So, regardless of any (multiple?) duplicates that might be sent where ever, you believe that the transporter is basically a suicide booth, for want of a better term?

Given the Federations high moral and ethical philosophy, I just can't see them allowing their people to step into such a machine, cargo sure, but not people.

If the transporter scans you and then sends a copy to the destination, why not at that point don't you (the original Butters) simply step back off of the platform and go about your day?

If you Butters believe that your presents on the platform was solely for the purpose of making a detailed scan for an eventual copy, where does the necessity of you death become a requirement?

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how can you see without eyes and optic nerves
I guess the most straight forward explanation is that when you're transformed from physical to energy (a energy state) that you continue to have a "intact" energy body, you are for a fraction of a second an energy being, with operational eyes and optical nerves. Obviously Barclay retained his consciousness, so he also possessed a functioning brain throughout the transport process.

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Old May 20 2011, 08:04 AM   #44
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Re: Transporters Yay/Nay

Which is why we need a more severe penalty if anyone is stupid enough to lie to the people about how safe the transporter is! Does anybody think anyone will be that stupid to run a company to the ground by killing people using transporter? So, I guess they are safe and reliable! I'm not afraid of it anymore!
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Old May 20 2011, 12:24 PM   #45
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One wonders... If the "phasing" in the transporting process merely shifts your body from this physical realm to the phased one and then back, where does the "phasing" in the being-hit-by-phaser process take you? Is Heaven full of intact phased-matter-stream-bodies of Kirk's enemies? And intact phased-matter-stream-chunks-of-meat carved from the chests of Sisko's enemies, as Sisko was a cheapskate and never phased an entire enemy body?

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