Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade - Page 55

timothy · May 16 2011, 11:09 PM

the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why?

all so you gotta wonder who was lex's running mate and who ran aginst him .

CorporalClegg · May 16 2011, 11:20 PM

For the same reason Deep Impact had a black president.

timothy · May 16 2011, 11:34 PM

never saw deep impact.

DarthPipes · May 16 2011, 11:47 PM

Checkmate wrote:

Not that it matters since the Toy Man, and likely the rest of the we're-not-supposed-to-be-smart-enough-to-realize-it's-the-Legion-of-Doom know his secret, making Lex's memory wipe even more pointless.

Wow. You're right...that makes the Lex losing his memory thing to be fucking ridiculous.

Guy Gardener · May 17 2011, 12:06 AM

Saw a comedian recently (blanking on the name) "I dream of an America one day where a white kid can grow up to be President."

There's a risk of being patronizing to always make the screen presidents black now that it's not impossible wish fulfilment, and especially to say that black contender would fail when put up against a white guy. A rich white guy, but not just a rich white guy, a rich white guy who had his memory erased. So a black guy loses to a vegetable who doesn't know how to tie his shoes?

Is it worse to be patronizing or insulting?

The whole wrong year thing might mean scandal/impeachment/resignation or assassination?

Chris Rock said a verrrrrrrrrrrry long time ago something like "No white President is going to have a black vice president, because it'll be about 5 minutes before some brother out there shoots whitey."

Blaire Underwood has been a terrible fictional president in the event.

(White) Pete Ross was the Vice President in the comics during the "brief" Luthor Administration. If Sam wasn't in Jail, I wonder if his character would have been standing beside the President elect?

Dream · May 17 2011, 12:06 AM

timothy wrote:

the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why?

all so you gotta wonder who was lex's running mate and who ran aginst him .

Obama doesn't exist in the DC comics universe, he does exist in Marvel comics though.

Corran Horn · May 17 2011, 12:35 AM

DarthPipes wrote:

Checkmate wrote:

Not that it matters since the Toy Man, and likely the rest of the we're-not-supposed-to-be-smart-enough-to-realize-it's-the-Legion-of-Doom know his secret, making Lex's memory wipe even more pointless.

Wow. You're right...that makes the Lex losing his memory thing to be fucking ridiculous.

Not sure what one has to do with the other. Several Batman archvillains know his identity. Several don't.

Allyn Gibson · May 17 2011, 01:39 AM

Corran Horn wrote:

Not sure what one has to do with the other. Several Batman archvillains know his identity. Several don't.

There's a vast difference between The Joker knowing Batman's identity (which is very clear from Morrison's work) and Luthor knowing Superman's identity.

The Joker really doesn't care who's under the cowl, while Luthor would set about to destroy Superman indirectly through the people Clark knew and loved and the places that Clark valued, much as Ra's al-Ghul has attempted to bring down Wayne Enterprises by striking at its people and its business. (If you're not reading Red Robin, the book's turned into a nice cat-and-mouse game between Tim Drake and Ra's.) Luthor would use the knowledge in ways that would result in no blowback toward him; The Joker's only interest is in Batman playing his psychotic games, so the identity of Batman is useless to him.

Guy Gardener · May 17 2011, 02:13 AM

Man vs Nerd or Man vs Superman?

Clark Kent is too easy to destroy.

Clark Kent doesn't threaten or look down on Luthor.

Luthor already knows that he is better than Kent even if he knows that Kent is Superman.

The only victory for a mere human being is in destroying the ubermensch.

Besides if Luthor exploits the weakness that is Clark Kent, Kal will either tidy it up bulletproof or cut it out (Superman, NO MORE!), and suddenly Superman does not have that huge chink in his armour. Allowing it to fester uncontrollably and rough is in Luthors interest.

However.

Luthor may need to destroy Clark Kent because that facet of the Aliens personality muddies his victory of the inhuman thing from space that is subverting human will and destiny like some over bearing coddling (super) nanny.

It's like finally beating up a bully who is larger and stronger you who has been over bearing and menacing to you for years, only to discover that she has the flu quite bad and can't quite see you or form a fist at the moment you chose for the take down.

Corran Horn · May 17 2011, 02:29 AM

Allyn Gibson wrote:

Corran Horn wrote:

Not sure what one has to do with the other. Several Batman archvillains know his identity. Several don't.

There's a vast difference between The Joker knowing Batman's identity (which is very clear from Morrison's work) and Luthor knowing Superman's identity.

The Joker really doesn't care who's under the cowl, while Luthor would set about to destroy Superman indirectly through the people Clark knew and loved and the places that Clark valued, much as Ra's al-Ghul has attempted to bring down Wayne Enterprises by striking at its people and its business. (If you're not reading Red Robin, the book's turned into a nice cat-and-mouse game between Tim Drake and Ra's.) Luthor would use the knowledge in ways that would result in no blowback toward him; The Joker's only interest is in Batman playing his psychotic games, so the identity of Batman is useless to him.

Sounds like a perfect reason to wipe Luthor's memory.

Broccoli · May 17 2011, 02:42 PM

timothy wrote:

the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why?

In fairness, we never saw the president's face. We only got a shoulder shot.

Carcazoid · May 17 2011, 02:57 PM

Broccoli wrote:

timothy wrote:

the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why?

In fairness, we never saw the president's face. We only got a shoulder shot.

Real explanation: It's a fictional universe. Doesn't matter what color POTUS is, he ain't real. Just like Clark's CGI suit.

Starbrow · May 17 2011, 04:18 PM

Castle season 3 Finale > Smallville season 10 Finale.

Space Cowboy > Superman.

To bad though, Smallville was a starting so good.

Sindatur · May 17 2011, 04:26 PM

timothy wrote:

the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why?

all so you gotta wonder who was lex's running mate and who ran aginst him .

They had to show President he wasn't a Black Man? Why didn't he already know what color he was? I totally missed that part?

Checkmate · May 17 2011, 04:38 PM

Broccoli wrote:

In fairness, we never saw the president's face. We only got a shoulder shot.

We saw his hand.

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May 16 2011, 11:09 PM	#811
timothy Rear Admiral Location: born to be a trekie	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade the main thing that really surprised me on the finale was when they showed the president he was'nt a black pres like obama. I wonder why? all so you gotta wonder who was lex's running mate and who ran aginst him . __________________ I am currently reading star trek the weight of worlds by greg cox currently watching continuum, being human, lost girl, Arrow, supernatural, grimm, Once upon a time, the walking dead, the vampire diaries, revolution, merlin

May 16 2011, 11:20 PM	#812
CorporalClegg Vice Admiral Location: Nuevo México	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade For the same reason Deep Impact had a black president. __________________ More matter, less hyperbole.

May 16 2011, 11:34 PM	#813
timothy Rear Admiral Location: born to be a trekie	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade never saw deep impact. __________________ I am currently reading star trek the weight of worlds by greg cox currently watching continuum, being human, lost girl, Arrow, supernatural, grimm, Once upon a time, the walking dead, the vampire diaries, revolution, merlin

May 17 2011, 12:06 AM	#815
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade Saw a comedian recently (blanking on the name) "I dream of an America one day where a white kid can grow up to be President." There's a risk of being patronizing to always make the screen presidents black now that it's not impossible wish fulfilment, and especially to say that black contender would fail when put up against a white guy. A rich white guy, but not just a rich white guy, a rich white guy who had his memory erased. So a black guy loses to a vegetable who doesn't know how to tie his shoes? Is it worse to be patronizing or insulting? The whole wrong year thing might mean scandal/impeachment/resignation or assassination? Chris Rock said a verrrrrrrrrrrry long time ago something like "No white President is going to have a black vice president, because it'll be about 5 minutes before some brother out there shoots whitey." Blaire Underwood has been a terrible fictional president in the event. (White) Pete Ross was the Vice President in the comics during the "brief" Luthor Administration. If Sam wasn't in Jail, I wonder if his character would have been standing beside the President elect? __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz Last edited by Guy Gardener; May 17 2011 at 12:53 AM.

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May 17 2011, 02:13 AM	#819
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade Man vs Nerd or Man vs Superman? Clark Kent is too easy to destroy. Clark Kent doesn't threaten or look down on Luthor. Luthor already knows that he is better than Kent even if he knows that Kent is Superman. The only victory for a mere human being is in destroying the ubermensch. Besides if Luthor exploits the weakness that is Clark Kent, Kal will either tidy it up bulletproof or cut it out (Superman, NO MORE!), and suddenly Superman does not have that huge chink in his armour. Allowing it to fester uncontrollably and rough is in Luthors interest. However. Luthor may need to destroy Clark Kent because that facet of the Aliens personality muddies his victory of the inhuman thing from space that is subverting human will and destiny like some over bearing coddling (super) nanny. It's like finally beating up a bully who is larger and stronger you who has been over bearing and menacing to you for years, only to discover that she has the flu quite bad and can't quite see you or form a fist at the moment you chose for the take down. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

May 17 2011, 04:18 PM	#823
Starbrow Lieutenant Commander Location: Under the stars	Re: Smallville10x21&22 "Finale" Discuss/Grade Castle season 3 Finale > Smallville season 10 Finale. Space Cowboy > Superman. To bad though, Smallville was a starting so good. Last edited by Starbrow; May 17 2011 at 04:48 PM.