Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men...

lurok · May 14 2011, 04:10 PM

(other than plot contrivance). Or is it just the 'bad boy' syndrome? Looking back, it's not a very edifying list:

the 'Mr Rochester' holonovel guy
Labin
Kashyk
Jaffen
Sullivan

All creeps in my book. Apologies if missed anyone. With that list, not surprised fanfics/shippers looked elsewhere. Couldn't they have given her one decent relationship, even if it was an 'indian summer'? Kirk, Picard and Archer all got one (Paradise Syndrome/Inner Light/Twilight).

HoneyBLilly · May 14 2011, 05:59 PM

Jaffen was awesome. And adorable.

And the answer would be that Kate didn't think it would be appropriate.

froot · May 14 2011, 07:25 PM

^ For her to date a subordinate, yes.

She could have willingly had a "random dalliance" with an alien commander or politician or random dude that she ended up really liking. There were ways to keep a lover around without him being a subordinate to her on her own ship. Another ship traveling alongside, perhaps?

And seconded on Jaffen. I like that guy. He was kinda like Mark.

Note also that Janeway was still pining for Mark quite a bit early on. Oh! And you forgot Gath on that list - the gross dude from "Prime Factors." *shiver* Now that was a creeper.

And Kashyk was a sexy creeper.

EDIT: I should mention that there's something to be said for a woman who doesn't necessarily "need" someone else to be happy, though. Maybe the independence was important. And there is something rather poignant about the loneliness of the character.

That said - it would have been nice to see her get with someone willingly. No mind control, no playing dangerous games.

lurok · May 14 2011, 07:59 PM

HoneyBLilly wrote:

Jaffen was awesome. And adorable.

And the answer would be that Kate didn't think it would be appropriate.

I couldn't possibly comment

But even if Jaffen himself wasn't dodgy, he was a member of dodgy race...

froot wrote:

That said - it would have been nice to see her get with someone willingly. No mind control, no playing dangerous games.

That's what I was trying to get to. No manipulation...hidden agendas...mind control. Even if it was just a 'dream' moment. Guess 11:59 was closest but that wasn't Janeway

teacake · May 15 2011, 02:35 AM

I liked Sullivan.

And as to why she had bad taste in men (which I don't think was the case but..) clearly it's because she was meant for 7.

Timewalker · May 15 2011, 10:17 AM

Actually, I've been enjoying the fanfic where she ends up with Tom Paris.

Eleanor_zhDarjel · May 15 2011, 10:21 AM

Hey, if it's well written, why not. Not my cup of tea, but alas.

I liked Sullivan too teacake. So there.

JanewayRulz! · May 15 2011, 06:45 PM

My vote goes to Jaffen.

If I can't have J/C, then J/J would have been acceptable.

Plus, I loved the actor when he played Murphy on season 1's Remington Steele!

janeway59 · May 16 2011, 12:45 AM

I liked Jaffen, and Sullivan...just glad she left Chuckles alone, that would have been creepy.

Also that creepy french guy from Prime Factors made my skin crawl eewwww

Rom's Sehlat · May 16 2011, 03:04 PM

Jaffen-- is that the guy from "Workforce"? Was he alright as a lover? I can't quite remember now (and I only watched it yesterday), but he seemed OK.

HoneyBLilly · May 16 2011, 03:13 PM

Yeah Rom, that's Jaffen.

I thought he was the best choice for her besides Chakotay.

Lord Manitou · May 16 2011, 07:03 PM

How about Q? Isn't he an all around nice guy. She almost accepted his proposal in 'Q and the Grey'. Amost, seems to be, is about the same as getting there with him. Wasn't much anyway if pro-creation was only the touching of the index finger. I liked Q. He could make his wants and needs so obvious to Katherine. She missed so much fun by leaving him. They could have toured the Meditteranian or rented a cottage on Easter Island- for months and months.

lurok · May 16 2011, 08:00 PM

Is everyone here forgetting Jaffen turned Chak in - out of jealousy? Not cool. Although I guess 'Workforce' was the nearest KJ got to an 'Inner Light/Twilight' episode...

Didn't put Q on list because he's not a creep (well, maybe an omnipotent one, but you get the point...)

Lynx · May 16 2011, 08:30 PM

Well, at least Janeway got a better taste in men than poor Deanna Troi. Slimebags like Devinion Ral and Ambassador Alkar makes Janeway's dates look rather normal in comparision.

froot · May 16 2011, 11:47 PM

^ OMG. RAL. I absolutely cannot watch that guy without foaming at the mouth. That sack of crap made Gath look like a saint.

Point well made. LOL

May 14 2011, 04:10 PM	#1
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... (other than plot contrivance). Or is it just the 'bad boy' syndrome? Looking back, it's not a very edifying list: the 'Mr Rochester' holonovel guy Labin Kashyk Jaffen Sullivan All creeps in my book. Apologies if missed anyone. With that list, not surprised fanfics/shippers looked elsewhere. Couldn't they have given her one decent relationship, even if it was an 'indian summer'? Kirk, Picard and Archer all got one (Paradise Syndrome/Inner Light/Twilight). __________________ “Between ennui and ecstasy unwinds our whole experience of time.”

May 14 2011, 05:59 PM	#2
HoneyBLilly Commodore Location: Tumblr Gardens	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Jaffen was awesome. And adorable. And the answer would be that Kate didn't think it would be appropriate. __________________ Where have I been?

May 14 2011, 07:25 PM	#3
froot Fleet Captain Location: Guarding the Compound with the Grey Wardens	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... ^ For her to date a subordinate, yes. She could have willingly had a "random dalliance" with an alien commander or politician or random dude that she ended up really liking. There were ways to keep a lover around without him being a subordinate to her on her own ship. Another ship traveling alongside, perhaps? And seconded on Jaffen. I like that guy. He was kinda like Mark. Note also that Janeway was still pining for Mark quite a bit early on. Oh! And you forgot Gath on that list - the gross dude from "Prime Factors." shiver Now that was a creeper. And Kashyk was a sexy creeper. EDIT: I should mention that there's something to be said for a woman who doesn't necessarily "need" someone else to be happy, though. Maybe the independence was important. And there is something rather poignant about the loneliness of the character. That said - it would have been nice to see her get with someone willingly. No mind control, no playing dangerous games.

May 15 2011, 02:35 AM	#5
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... I liked Sullivan. And as to why she had bad taste in men (which I don't think was the case but..) clearly it's because she was meant for 7. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

May 15 2011, 10:17 AM	#6
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May 15 2011, 10:21 AM	#7
Eleanor_zhDarjel Fleet Captain Location: in the year of the flood, St. Stephen King Day	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Hey, if it's well written, why not. Not my cup of tea, but alas. I liked Sullivan too teacake. So there. __________________ Elim Garak: The truth is usually just an excuse for lack of imagination.

May 15 2011, 06:45 PM	#8
JanewayRulz! Rear Admiral Location: North America	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... My vote goes to Jaffen. If I can't have J/C, then J/J would have been acceptable. Plus, I loved the actor when he played Murphy on season 1's Remington Steele! __________________ "But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!" Charlotte Bronte

May 16 2011, 12:45 AM	#9
janeway59 Lieutenant Location: Southern Calif	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... I liked Jaffen, and Sullivan...just glad she left Chuckles alone, that would have been creepy. Also that creepy french guy from Prime Factors made my skin crawl eewwww __________________ "I'd love to stay and chat but I'm on a tight schedule. Computer, warp six."

May 16 2011, 03:04 PM	#10
Rom's Sehlat Fleet Captain	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Jaffen-- is that the guy from "Workforce"? Was he alright as a lover? I can't quite remember now (and I only watched it yesterday), but he seemed OK.

May 16 2011, 03:13 PM	#11
HoneyBLilly Commodore Location: Tumblr Gardens	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Yeah Rom, that's Jaffen. I thought he was the best choice for her besides Chakotay. __________________ Where have I been?

May 16 2011, 07:03 PM	#12
Lord Manitou Lieutenant Commander Location: Michigan	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... How about Q? Isn't he an all around nice guy. She almost accepted his proposal in 'Q and the Grey'. Amost, seems to be, is about the same as getting there with him. Wasn't much anyway if pro-creation was only the touching of the index finger. I liked Q. He could make his wants and needs so obvious to Katherine. She missed so much fun by leaving him. They could have toured the Meditteranian or rented a cottage on Easter Island- for months and months. __________________ Janeway #1: Think, people we need options. Janeway #2: I agree captain. http://www.voyagr-ep-memorys.com/

May 16 2011, 08:00 PM	#13
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Is everyone here forgetting Jaffen turned Chak in - out of jealousy? Not cool. Although I guess 'Workforce' was the nearest KJ got to an 'Inner Light/Twilight' episode... Didn't put Q on list because he's not a creep (well, maybe an omnipotent one, but you get the point...) __________________ “Between ennui and ecstasy unwinds our whole experience of time.” Last edited by lurok; May 16 2011 at 08:33 PM.

May 16 2011, 08:30 PM	#14
Lynx Rear Admiral Location: Lynx Empire	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... Well, at least Janeway got a better taste in men than poor Deanna Troi. Slimebags like Devinion Ral and Ambassador Alkar makes Janeway's dates look rather normal in comparision. __________________ Who'd let that cat in here? Visit the Kes Website at the new location: http://lynx677.byethost12.com

May 16 2011, 11:47 PM	#15
froot Fleet Captain Location: Guarding the Compound with the Grey Wardens	Re: Why did Janeway have such bad taste in men... ^ OMG. RAL. I absolutely cannot watch that guy without foaming at the mouth. That sack of crap made Gath look like a saint. Point well made. LOL