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View Poll Results: Rate Rough Beasts Of Empire
Outstanding 36 25.35%
Above Average 59 41.55%
Average 25 17.61%
Below Average 13 9.15%
Poor 9 6.34%
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Old April 7 2011, 07:19 PM   #511
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^ I'm curious as to why you read Zero Sum Game before Rough Beasts of Empire, since, chronologically, they occur in reverse order (RBoE before ZSG).
I actually started RBoE first. One day I took my car in for oil change/smog and walked to a bookstore to kill time and bought Zero Sum Game. I was over 100 pages into ZSG when I got my car back so I just finished it first. Now I'm reading the first Vanguard book.
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Old April 7 2011, 07:27 PM   #512
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^ That's understandable. I've been in the middle of books before, but saw something else that looked interesting, picked it up, and got hooked on it.
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Old April 7 2011, 08:54 PM   #513
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Re: Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts Of Empire review thread

One thing I wondered: How was Sisko allowed to travel to Achernar Prime to meet with Donatra?

To reach the Imperial Romulan State, wouldn't he have to travel through the part of Romulan space owned by Tal'Aura?

Which should be a no-no, since she cut off relationships with the Federation in "A Singular Destiny" when she joined the pact and no longer required food supplies from the Federation.
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Old April 8 2011, 03:03 AM   #514
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Well, it depends on what region of the old RSE became her domain.

He could have just gone through Klingon space to go around Tal'Aura's empire.
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Old May 10 2011, 02:34 AM   #515
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What is the best order to read this series in? Is the chronological order different from the publication order?
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Old May 10 2011, 03:46 AM   #516
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What is the best order to read this series in? Is the chronological order different from the publication order?
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Order is irrelevant. You can read them in any order. They're thematically linked, but they don't tell a single unified story.
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Old May 10 2011, 04:04 AM   #517
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If you are an Elias Vaughn fan then reading Rough Beasts first may be more enjoyable (although I did not enjoy RBoE AT ALL). Vaughn plays a minor roll in RBoE and a more minor roll in ZSG. The events of ZSG occur after RBoE so the minor Vaughn subplot leaves fewer questions if read in that order. Other than that, there is nothing in the Typhon pact books that is dependent on the order in which they are read. The key word here is minor so it really won't make much difference if you stick with publication order.

I do suggest reading at least Vanguard #1 before reading Paths of Disharmony though.
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Old May 10 2011, 04:26 AM   #518
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The events of ZSG occur after RBoE so the minor Vaughn subplot leaves fewer questions if read in that order.
Then again, having fewer questions isn't necessarily more enjoyable. There's a reason most mystery stories don't reveal the killer's identity until the end. I read ZSG first, so I experienced the Vaughn subplot as something that began as a mystery and finally got explained in RBoE. That's just as valid a way to tell a story as the alternative. So no, it really doesn't matter what order you read them in.
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Old May 10 2011, 04:18 PM   #519
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I don't even believe you necessarily have to read all the TP books. If, say, you don't like Titan you can skip book 2 and not miss anything. I think books 3 and 4 will have the most lasting impact in trek literature and would recommend them if you had to choose though I thought 1 was the best read.

We had a nice discussion on Typhon Pact, especially book 3 at the startrek.com forums. DRG III really helped me appreciate the book with his comments in the thread on the subject.
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Old May 11 2011, 12:08 AM   #520
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The events of ZSG occur after RBoE so the minor Vaughn subplot leaves fewer questions if read in that order.
Then again, having fewer questions isn't necessarily more enjoyable. There's a reason most mystery stories don't reveal the killer's identity until the end. I read ZSG first, so I experienced the Vaughn subplot as something that began as a mystery and finally got explained in RBoE. That's just as valid a way to tell a story as the alternative. So no, it really doesn't matter what order you read them in.
Heck. Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction has its stories arranged out of strict chronological order--but frankly, it's all the better for it. The order is thematic, not chronological.
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Old May 11 2011, 09:34 AM   #521
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I have FINALLY started to read RBOE and am enjoying right now...should be done in a couple of days.
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Old May 12 2011, 04:58 PM   #522
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Managed to read the book and I enjoyed it. I must confess that I largely read it due to the appearance of the Romulans and the Vulcan Unification Movement. I wasnt too keen on Sisko leaving Kassidy personally but don't hold that against the book or author. I do feel that David R. George III captured the Romulans very nicely and would love to see him write some more on the Romulans.

I particularly enjoy the insights into Romulan society like the Hundred and Romulan Security (really enjoyed the portrayal of these guys like the imagery conjured with the raptor holding a shield). It was quite nice and liked the political environment with Spock's involvement in the entire thing. Somewhat saddened about Donatra since I liked the character. But, anyway, it was quite good in that regard and I am curious on the way things go for the Romulans now.

The only odd thing I find is the fate of the IRS. But its not something I have against the book itself since i wasnt too fond of the IRS plotline. So, seeing that arc resolved I find somewhat satisfying but seeing it in the grand scheme of things; just seems odd that the IRS is formed, some political tension happens and it gets absorbed back. But as I said, its just seeing this in the grand scheme of things so I don't hold that fault with the book itself.

Anyway, gets 4.5 out of 5 stars from me
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Old May 13 2011, 01:06 AM   #523
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Just about to finish the book and have enjoyed it. I understand why all the DS9 continuation fans are upset, there is a lot of stuff mentioned or teased in the book thta hasn't happened yet but that didn't bother me that it just got mentioned. As for Ben leaving Kas and Rebecca...I'm not understanding the controversy here. This meshes with Sisko's character completely. He mentions the "walking the path alone" and that he would face great sorrow had he married Kas. Leaving his wife and child behind in order to try and fulfill the Prophets wishes is completely within his character. Maybe that's something that the actor, Avery Brooks would be against, but it fits the character and I have no problem with it. I felt for Ben and the weight he has on his shoulders. Perhaps if Kas was more understanding about his spiritual role he could have explained his reasons to her and she would be accepting of them but Kas was never understanding of that part of his life. Maybe on a rudimentary level at best.

The Romulan stuff and the Spock plot was great. Saddened by the loss of Donatra, found she was an interesting character and the books did a lot to flesh out from what he saw of her in "Nemesis". The political situation now in the Empire is interesting. Will be fascinating to see where this goes now.
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Old July 5 2011, 04:22 AM   #524
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I just realized I never actually wrote a more in depth review of this one, and because of it's more controversial nature I've been meaning to do a more in depth review than, yeah I liked it.
Ok first off, I really liked all of the aspects of this book. Sisko and Spock are two of my favorite characters and I thought DRGIII did a great job with both characters. First the Spock/Romulus story was great, although I will admit I didn't expect them to actually tie up the Donatra vs. Tel'Aura storyline so soon. I was really enjoying the story of the two competing Romulan governments and I had hoped that this would be a permanent or at least more long term thing. Now saying that I thought the way that it's end was brought about was very interesting, I might have expected both of them to end up dieing, but definitely not both. I loved the stuff with the Tzenkethi and all of their plotting. I especially got a kick out of the way that they use all four walls of rooms, I'd never come across something like that before. I'm very curious where things are going for the Reunification Movement in the future, and I really hope we get a follow up soon.
Now for the fun part, the Sisko storyline. I know this part has been highly controversial, but I had no issues with it. Alot of people are accusing Sisko of being a dead beat dad or running away from his family, and that this goes against his characterization on the show and I have to disagree on both points. In Sisko's mind he did what he did to protect his family, which is very much in character for him. At the time that the book alot of bad things have begun to happen to Sisko and those closest to him, and this is causing him to look back on the warning The Prophets gave him before he married Kasidy and reevalute his opinion of it. He becomes convinced at this point that the Prophets were right, and so thinking that something even worse could happen he leaves, which does make perfect sense to me. He did this to protect his wife and children, and since we know Sisko is very much a family man this makes perfect sense to me. We've seen over the years how strongly he cares about his family and that he would never purposefully put them in danger. So when he becomes convinced that he is a danger to his family he leaves. Now, I'm not necisarrily saying he's right, we can tell that he has been hit hard by alot of the bad things that have happened to him over the last few years, so he's probably not thinking straight. But we can tell from his attitude throughoutt the story that he is not doing because he wants to, but because he feels that he has to. In fact, I'd say that he hates doing it.
The only real problem I do have with the book is the disconnect between the two stories, and the flashbacks. Usually when you have a book with multiple storylines like this there is some kind of connection, but other than the scene where Sisko meets with Donatra I didn't really notice one in this case. And that scene actually seemed rather disconnected from the rest of Sisko's story.
My rating 8.5/10/Above Average
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Old February 15 2012, 02:39 PM   #525
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I read the book a couple of months ago and i think it is one of the better Typhon Pact books. I gave it an Above average rating.
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