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Old April 20 2011, 12:21 AM   #121
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Because the question was asked earlier - and I'd brought up the point myself - according to a revised version of the Doctor Who News Page obituary, there were three Sarah Jane Adventures stories that had been produced for Series 5 at the time of her death - so six episodes in total. In British TV format, 6 episodes is a viable season, so I would imagine we'll still be seeing some Sarah Jane Adventures later this year.

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Old April 20 2011, 12:27 AM   #122
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But I don't want to see the character killed off. Liz may no longer be with us, but I'd like to hope Sarah will still be out there for a good long time, fighting the good fight.
I agree with this. And it is a kids' show so I'd prefer an optimistic outlook when it ends.
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Old April 20 2011, 12:31 AM   #123
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I would like to see a 'Farewell Sarah' episode, but do it with style. Have the show jump ahead ten years and show the castmembers coming together for a 'one year anniversary' memorial. It would pay tribute to Liz and Sarah, and at the same time give the show some closure by finding out the kids all went on to have bright futures.

I originally used this pic for Nick Courney's passing. Seems even more fitting today.

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Old April 20 2011, 12:40 AM   #124
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Dang. I was just gearing up to watch Sarah Jane. I t will be sad watching it and knowing she has passed.
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Old April 20 2011, 12:50 AM   #125
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Holy. Shit. I just saw this over at Gallifrey Base (on a giant banner). I can't barely believe this. I had absolutely no idea she was even sick.

Rest in peace, Lis Sladen.
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Old April 20 2011, 12:56 AM   #126
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From the BBC News site: Russell T Davies pays tribute to Doctor Who actress Elisabeth Sladen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137935
Very nice tribute
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Old April 20 2011, 01:05 AM   #127
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Absolutely beautiful. Thank you for sharing this.

I recently purchased the newly released "The BBC Radio Adventures" boxset which includes The Ghosts of N-Space, The Paradise of Death, Doctor Who and the Pescatons, and Exploration Earth (the first two with Jon Pertwee and Nicholas Courntey and the last two with Tom Baker). I'll definitely be listening to all of them as soon as I get them.
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Old April 20 2011, 01:10 AM   #128
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This sucks. I met her and Pertwee back in 1983. They were both wonderful.
RIP Elizebeth.
Wow. That must have been quite the experience!
I'm envious. I sooo would have loved to meet Pertwee but he was long dead before I even learned of the existence of the show.
They were both great and as judges in the costume contest they voted me the winner because they had never seen an American dressed as Troughton's Doctor.
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Old April 20 2011, 01:11 AM   #129
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Wow. That must have been quite the experience!
I'm envious. I sooo would have loved to meet Pertwee but he was long dead before I even learned of the existence of the show.
They were both great and as judges in the costume contest they voted me the winner because they had never seen an American dressed as Troughton's Doctor.
SCORE!!! How cool is that?
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Old April 20 2011, 01:13 AM   #130
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Her death is a huge loss to Doctor Who fans, and to fans of strong female adventure heroes everywhere. It's hard to overstate how important Elisabeth Sladen was to Doctor Who, and how much she transformed the role of the companion on the show. In many ways, she paved the way for all of the show's more intelligent, resourceful companions in the 21st Century.



When her character, Sarah Jane Smith, was added to the show in 1973, she was a direct reaction against the ditzy, spacey Jo Grant, her predecessor. And at first, Sarah Jane Smith was conceived of as a sort of plucky girl reporter, like Lois Lane, who would spout lines about "Women's Lib" every now and then. In her very first scene, Sarah Jane has a stereotypical 1970s feminist moment with the Doctor, who asks her to make herself useful by making coffee. Later, Sarah Jane gives the struggling Queen Thalira a crash course in standing up for herself. Watching those early episodes, you sense that the show is cluelessly trying too hard to make Sarah Jane a strong female character.
And by the time Tom Baker took over as the Doctor, Sarah Jane was being pushed into the traditional "damsel in distress" role more often. She spends a lot of Baker's first year squealing, screaming, being pushed off cliffs, getting sick and being trapped in impossible situations that the Doctor and Harry have to get her out of. Sladen has mentioned several times that she complained to the producers about this state of affairs, and seriously considered leaving the show after her second year.
Instead, the character of Sarah Jane changed, and became what the producers had originally struggled to make her: a strong, independent woman. In Baker's second season, Sarah Jane figures stuff out as often as the Doctor does, and frequently stands up for herself. On the DVD of "Pyramids of Mars," director Paddy Russell (one of the show's few female directors) explains how she and Sladen reworked the scripts, giving some of the Doctor's lines to Sarah Jane — so instead of the Doctor explaining stuff to Sarah Jane, it became Sarah Jane working things out on her own.


In those later stories, Sarah Jane is more of an equal partner to the Doctor, and often plays a crucial role in defeating the alien menace. And she gets one of my favorite companion moments in "The Seeds of Doom," when the thuggish Scorby laments that all his armed guards have fled the scene of the Krynoid attack, "just like a bunch of women." A few moments later, Sarah Jane is preparing to go face the Krynoid alone, and Scorby tells her it's suicide with that creature roaming around. She turns to him and says, "What was that you were saying about women?" The look on her face is priceless.
Sarah Jane was one of the longest-lasting Who companions, appearing for three and a half seasons. And unlike most companions, she continued to have an impact on the show long after her depature.


When Baker himself was planning on leaving Doctor Who, then-producer John Nathan-Turner asked Sladen to come back as Sarah Jane Smith for a while, to help ease the transition between Doctors. Sladen turned down that idea, but agreed instead to star in a spin-off series called K-9 and Company, in which she teamed up with the Doctor's robot dog to solve mysteries. Sadly, K-9 and Company was not that great a show, and it was soon forgotten, except that Sarah Jane and K-9 both put in repeat appearances in the 1983 special "The Five Doctors."
And somehow, the character of Sarah Jane never went away. Sladen reprised the role in 1990s audio adventures with Jon Pertwee as the Doctor, "The Paradise of Death" and "The Ghosts of N-Space." (Memorably, in one of them, she explains Sarah Jane's first law of journalism: Always make sure your expenses are taken care of.) She also starred in a series of nine Sarah Jane audio plays, including "Comeback," "The Tao Connection," "Test of Nerve," "Ghost Town," and "Buried Secrets," for Big Finish Productions in the early 2000s.
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Old April 20 2011, 01:18 AM   #131
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And yes, put me down for thinking they should show those final stories. I can't think of any actor who wouldn't want their work shown. But I don't want to see the character killed off.
I can't imagine any reason why the final episodes wouldn't be shown. SJA doesn't do season-long arcs or anything, so the stories could be seen as a simple coda. And if they were made at the same time as Series 4, there was no indication that she was ill in those episodes, so there's no reason to suggest she'd look or act any different in the final ones. And they were shot months ago, so there's none of the "she died a week later" morbidity that often makes some people hesitant to watch an actor's final work (see, for example, Heath Ledger's last film). My assumption is they'll air them in the UK as planned this fall, after Series 6 of Doctor Who finishes up.

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Old April 20 2011, 01:23 AM   #132
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And yes, put me down for thinking they should show those final stories. I can't think of any actor who wouldn't want their work shown. But I don't want to see the character killed off. Liz may no longer be with us, but I'd like to hope Sarah will still be out there for a good long time, fighting the good fight.
If Ian and Barbera can live long after the actors have passed than so can Sarah Jane.
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Old April 20 2011, 01:24 AM   #133
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Farewell Elisabeth Sladen. You were the Doctor's finest companion, and you will be missed. Thank you for bringing Sarah Jane Smith to life! Godspeed.
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Old April 20 2011, 01:43 AM   #134
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From the BBC News site: Russell T Davies pays tribute to Doctor Who actress Elisabeth Sladen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13137935
Very nice tribute
It's very nice. And as much as we can sit and bicker about how The Sarah Jane Adventures should or should not go on without Lis Sladen, I'd only say this:

Whatever else you may think about Russell T. Davies, the man is a writer who cares about his characters and his actors and his audience, and who shows enormous sensitivity to the question of how to portray loss onscreen for a child audience.

I for one have faith in his judgment that he and his collaborators will find the right way to go forward. Whether that means depicting Sarah Jane's death, or depicting her as going somewhere "out there," or ending the show, or continuing the show with Rani and Clyde, or continuing the show with Jo Grant, or whatever -- he'll figure out a way to make it work, and to make it work in a manner that honors Lis Sladen's memory.
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cant even pretend to know what Liz would want, but I would think, she would want them to be shown.
The show must go on for the fans(children) no doubt
No. Let it go, it's done now.
Sure. And if they'd done that with the parent series, Doctor Who would have ended when Hartnell opted to leave the role in 1966.

Look, if you can replace the lead character of one program nearly a dozen times without utterly destroying the integrity of that show, I see no problem whatsoever in successfully utilizing the very same device to replace the lead in a spin-off series.

Would it be horribly contrived?

You bet!

But no more or less so than it has been any of the other times its been utilized in any other part of the Whoverse,
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