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Old April 12 2011, 11:09 AM   #16
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Re: Klingon mind sifter

...Which is why Spock defeated the device.

Perhaps all the preceding victims had been Romulans, who'd be sufficiently telepathic to realize the device was a sham, and would only pretend to divulge (false) information to their torturers as the result?

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Old April 12 2011, 11:41 AM   #17
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I always figured it was more of torture device that worked directly on the brain, physically attacking it in very painful ways until the subject reveals exactly what the operator/interrogator wants to know.
In “Errand of Mercy,” it’s made clear that the Klingon mind-sifter is more than a sophisticated torture device — it can actually read a person’s thoughts and memories. Of course Vulcans, with their strong mental discipline, can block a mind-sifter probe to some extent.
KLINGON: He is what he claims to be, Commander — a Vulcanian merchant named Spock. His main concern seems to be how he would carry out his business under our occupation.
KOR: Nothing else?
KLINGON: The usual. A certain amount of apprehension regarding us. The mind is remarkably disciplined.
KOR: You are sure?
KLINGON: I used force four, which is sufficient to break down any pretence.
KOR: Very well, Lieutenant. Would you like to try our little truth finder?
KIRK: I don't understand.
KOR: It's a mind-sifter or mind-ripper, depending on how much force is used. We can record every thought, every bit of knowledge in a man's mind. Of course, when that much force is used, the mind is emptied. Permanently, I'm afraid. What's left is more vegetable than human.

What's the difference from what I said? It's still described as a device that attacks the brain to get information out of someone. A "mind ripper" doesn't exactly sound like it's something enjoyable...
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Old April 12 2011, 11:48 AM   #18
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The name "sifter" does suggest an analysis device analogous to a sieve, which does not carry the connotations of extraction-through-threat-or-damage that "ripper" would.

OTOH, perhaps Kor actually said "shifter", as in a device that pulls the mind this side and that to inflict damage?

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Old April 12 2011, 12:14 PM   #19
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The name "sifter" does suggest an analysis device analogous to a sieve, which does not carry the connotations of extraction-through-threat-or-damage that "ripper" would.
That's your opinion, but when you're talking about a brain going through a sieve, there's nothing that suggests it will be a pleasant and enjoyable experience, especially if it's a Klingon invention.
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Old April 13 2011, 12:40 AM   #20
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I think the line "We can record every thought, every bit of knowledge in a man's mind" implies that it is meant to be some sort of "thought recorder."
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Old April 13 2011, 02:08 AM   #21
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The mind sifter? We do not discuss it! Its use is without honor.
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Old April 13 2011, 05:50 AM   #22
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The weird thing is, the Klingons are not supposed to be telepathic. There is a certain irony in it being the Klingons who would develop a technology to overcome mental barriers, when they are the race one would least expect to understand how such things work. Most of their society seems based on physical strength and battle, not mental.
Maybe they didn't develop it, maybe they just took it from one of the races they subjugated? I always imagined that they got most of their tech that way.
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Old April 13 2011, 07:20 AM   #23
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That's probably it.... They are always bankrupt because they fight all the time. [chuckle]
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Old April 13 2011, 07:46 AM   #24
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. . . I remember a story once where Kirk was exposed to a mind sifter, escaped through the Guardian of Forever and ended up in a 1930's psychiatric hospital for a year.
I read that story. Can’t remember the author’s name, but it was a pretty good bit of Trek fanfic.
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Old April 13 2011, 12:16 PM   #25
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It was written by Shirley S. Maiewski and called, of course, "Mind-Sifter." He wound up in the 1950s, though, not the 30s.
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Old April 13 2011, 12:25 PM   #26
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It was fertile ground but Trek has such a woeful record when it comes to telepathy. I love Vulcan limited telepathy with its dodgy side effects but betazoids and many other races are just inconsistent walking plot devices.

Even with today's tech we can record which areas of the brain flare up while performing tasks. The sifter is not too far away from that concept, a sophisticated lie detector that can be used in conjunction with torture and interrogation. With quantum scanners and the ability to reform memories in transported individuals, I don't think it would be impossible for the klingons to use tech that is capable of examining the chemical memory markers that flare up under interrogation.
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Old April 13 2011, 01:46 PM   #27
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Nah, the mind sifter was actually a COLLANDER. But every other race had become so advanced they had never heard of this primitive device. Except for Chekov
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