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Old March 28 2011, 03:51 AM   #916
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I doubt that casting Saldana in any movie at all would hurt its box office performance. Who do you think is really going to pass on buying a ticket to Superman because Lois Lane isn't a brunette of european background, other than the white racist yahoos who tried to organize that tiny little protest over "Heimdall" in Thor?
True fact: racist or not, a black actress in a movie headline with a white suprehero ain't gonna bring much money from overseas or in the good ol' USA. I also find it funny that a non-white literary character can be changed to white and the uproar can deafen you, but a black actress for a white literary character is absolutely fine. Strange, that!

Every fanboy who's so incredibly narrow and anal as to object to the casting on "continuity" rather than explicitly racist concerns would be offset by hundreds of folks who'd see the ads and go "oh, I know who she is and like her. Let's see that." This is, of course, the only reason that well-known actors command high salaries to begin with.
You do realize both of Zoe Saldana's movies after Avatar (Losers, Takers) were insta-flops, yes? And in Avatar she wasn't even in her true form? You can call Tom Cruise, Ben Stiller and Robert Di Niro as well-known actors. Zoe saldana ain't that.
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Old March 28 2011, 04:04 AM   #917
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I don't see a problem. Lois may be talented and ambitious, but she doesn't have to be a "star" reporter before she gets her first interview with Superman. What I'm suggesting would not be much of a change from comic-book tradition.
But why are you suggesting it? The role's already been cast, and they're not going that way.
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Old March 28 2011, 04:19 AM   #918
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I also find it funny that a non-white literary character can be changed to white and the uproar can deafen you, but a black actress for a white literary character is absolutely fine. Strange, that!
Whites and non-whites in western fiction and society are in completely different positions. And as long as that's the case, it won't be the same.
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Old March 28 2011, 04:57 AM   #919
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True fact: racist or not, a black actress in a movie headline with a white suprehero ain't gonna bring much money from overseas or in the good ol' USA.
Tip for the day: Prefacing a statement with "true fact" is not enough to make it true. You support -- or refute -- a claim with actual evidence. Like this:

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-s...box-office.php

Of the ten most successful feature film actors of all time, measured by total box-office grosses of the films they've appeared in, four are black -- with Samuel L. Jackson taking the number one spot. It seems quite counterfactual to assert that having a black performer in a leading role would make a film unprofitable.



I also find it funny that a non-white literary character can be changed to white and the uproar can deafen you, but a black actress for a white literary character is absolutely fine. Strange, that!
That's very disingenuous. For centuries, Western society has given special privileges to whites and denied other ethnic groups the right to compete fairly. Even today, despite the proven success of certain black or Asian actors, it's difficult for performers of color to get an equal chance to succeed. You yourself assert that racial prejudice is still prevalent, so to turn around and say this in the very next sentence is a gross contradiction.

Your mistake is in defining it in terms of the characters. The uproar isn't about the characters -- it's about the real live human beings seeking gainful employment as actors. It's about wanting fair opportunities for everyone. Minority roles are still outnumbered by white roles, so casting whites as characters who were originally minorities is denying scarce opportunities to actors of other ethnicities. It's a matter of job discrimination, and there's nothing funny about that.


You do realize both of Zoe Saldana's movies after Avatar (Losers, Takers) were insta-flops, yes? And in Avatar she wasn't even in her true form? You can call Tom Cruise, Ben Stiller and Robert Di Niro as well-known actors. Zoe saldana ain't that.
So? She was also in several successful movies before that, including Center Stage, the first Pirates of the Caribbean, and a little thing called Star Trek. No actor is successful in 100 percent of their films.
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Old March 28 2011, 06:02 AM   #920
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I will say this...I think Amy Adams as Lois Lane is brilliant.

Amy Adams.

[edit] http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9467

Noel Neill, the original Lois Lane, approves of Amy Adams, the latest Lois Lane.

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Old March 28 2011, 08:18 AM   #921
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In every movie I've seen Amy Adams in, I've thought she was pretty much the living embodiment of sweet, plucky, adorable, and endearing. Those are good qualities for a Lois Lane, depending on your interpretation.

She isn't the age or look I envision Lois as being (20s and dark-haired), but she has a lovely personality/screen persona that could fit the role nicely, so I can definitely see her wearing it well. She's been a favourite of mine since "Catch Me If You Can" and while she's not the ideal Lois I'd imagined, she's a huge improvement from superbland Kate Bosworth.
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Old March 28 2011, 08:31 AM   #922
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^ Agreed.
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Old March 28 2011, 10:01 AM   #923
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The cast of this movie is just getting better and better..I mean first Diane Lane and Kevin costner..but now also Amy Adams..woohooo
This film wont lack acting talent, thats for sure.
Adams is a such a great choice for Lois Lane.
I am a big fan of hers and she is very talented actress..plus a great screen persona..She has this great natural charm that many other actors lack
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Old March 28 2011, 01:53 PM   #924
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They had to cast AA as LL. It's that obvious.

Of course, that limits the Lex Luthor options. Kevin Kline? Chevy Chase? Michael Madsen? Emilio Estevez? Sylvester Stallone?
Actually, the obvious choice is:

http://www.itv.com/entertainment/harryhillstvburp/
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Old March 28 2011, 02:02 PM   #925
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[edit] http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9467

Noel Neill, the original Lois Lane, approves of Amy Adams, the latest Lois Lane.
Going by that picture, there's a resemblance between them.

And Neill was only the first live-action Lois -- overall she was second Lois after Joan Alexander, who played Lois on radio and in the Fleischer cartoons.



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The cast of this movie is just getting better and better..
It does seem to be a strong cast (aside from my personal dislike for Costner). But I still have little faith in the director, particularly after the atrocious reviews that Sucker Punch thing of his is getting.
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Old March 28 2011, 02:39 PM   #926
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I've been offline most all weekend so pardon me if I skipped over the last 6 pages which I suspect are all about AMY ADAMS!!!

My $.02 is that this is a win!!!

Great actress who can pull of feisty and mature but looks great!!
So glad this Lois is going to be able to pull of seasoned reporter and not seasoned Pledge Mistress of Delta, Delta, Delta!!!
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Old March 28 2011, 02:57 PM   #927
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The casting so far is good enough that it's revived my interest in this movie somewhat.

The following was published over at Deadline yesterday - it's not original editorial content but a letter made public, so it's not violating any copyright held by Deadline to repost it here as far as I know:

December 10, 2010

Jeffrey L. Bewkes
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Dear Jeff,

I am Joanne Siegel widow of Jerry Siegel, creator of Superboy and co-creator of Superman with Joe Shuster. It has always been my policy to be in touch with the Chairmen of the Board of your company going back to when Steve Ross formed Warner Communications.

Steve Ross knew how to take care of large vexing problems. He paid the price, whatever it was, then went on, and the company prospered. He was gracious and friendly when my late husband Jerry and I met him at a stockholders meeting after he sent Jerry, Joe, my daughter Laura and me company stock. He also phoned me to say if we needed anything I should just pick up the phone and call him. He said if he could not be reached for some reason, one of the top officers in the company, Deane Johnson, would handle things personally. Laura and I believe if Steve were alive our copyright ownership matter would have been successfully resolved long ago.

Jerry Levin was also reachable and thoughtful. He sent my husband and later me, cases of grapefruit at the holiday season. He remembered Jerry’s birthday with a Superman sculpture. When my Jerry passed away, Jerry Levin told Laura and me that we are part of the Time Warner family, part of its history. Unfortunately he retired before our rights issues were resolved. He had given his attorneys too much power so that negotiations were unsatisfactory and a settlement was impossible. Dick Parsons, on the other hand, was not friendly and, under him, the attorneys hired by the company were arrogant and pro-litigation.

Now you are Chairman and CEO. Because we are in litigation I held off writing to you. I now believe had we had contact early on, things might not have gone so far off track.

My daughter Laura and I, as well as the Shuster estate, have done nothing more than exercise our rights under the Copyright Act. Yet, your company has chosen to sue us and our long-time attorney for protecting our rights.

On December 1st I turned 93. I am old enough to be your mother. I have grown grandchildren. Unfortunately I am not in the best of health. My cardiologist provided a letter to your attorneys informing them that I suffer from a serious heart condition and that forcing me to go through yet another stressful deposition could put me in danger of a heart attack or stroke. I am also on medications that have side effects which force me to stay close to home and restrooms. Nonetheless your attorneys are forcing me to endure a second deposition even though I have already undergone a deposition for a full day in this matter. As clearly they would be covering the same ground, their intention is to harass me.

My dear daughter Laura too has painful medical conditions including multiple sclerosis, arthritis, glaucoma, spine disorders, and fibromyalgia. She has already had her deposition taken twice by your attorneys while in pain. Her doctors have given written statements saying she should not be subjected to a third deposition, yet your attorneys are insisting on re-taking her deposition in an effort to harass her as well.

So I ask you to please consider – do these mean spirited tactics meet with your approval? Do you really think the families of Superman’s creators should be treated this way?

As you know, DC and Warner Bros. have profited enormously from 72 years of exploiting Jerry and Joe’s wonderful creation. Superman is now a billion dollar franchise and has been DC’s flagship property for all this time.

As for this letter, the purpose is three-fold:

To protest harassment of us that will gain you nothing but bad blood and a continued fight.

To protest harassment of our attorney by falsely accusing him of improper conduct in an attempt to deprive us of legal counsel.

To make you aware that in reality this is a business matter and that continuing with litigation for many more years will only benefit your attorneys.

This is not just another case. The public and press are interested in Superman and us and are aware of our and your litigations.

The solution to saving time, trouble, and expense is a change of viewpoint. Laura and I are legally owed our share of Superman profits since 1999. By paying the owed bill in full, as you pay other business bills, it would be handled as a business matter, instead of a lawsuit going into its 5th year.

Even though you will no doubt pass this letter on to your attorneys, the final decision is yours. Your image as well as the company’s reputation rests on a respectable and acceptable outcome, and I hope you will get personally involved to insure this matter is handled properly.

The courtesy of a friendly and meaningful reply from you will be most appreciated.

Sincerely,
Joanne Siegel

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Old March 28 2011, 06:11 PM   #928
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[edit] http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=9467

Noel Neill, the original Lois Lane, approves of Amy Adams, the latest Lois Lane.
Interesting that she would comment, because I could easily see Adams bringing the same kind of feisty energy and spirit to the role that Neill brought.
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Old March 28 2011, 08:58 PM   #929
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The following was published over at Deadline yesterday - it's not original editorial content but a letter made public, so it's not violating any copyright held by Deadline to repost it here as far as I know:

Dear Jeff,

I am Joanne Siegel widow of Jerry Siegel,
[snip]
okay...
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Here's an interesting article which begs to question whether or not Zack Snyder will be booted from Superman after the creative and financial disappointment of his Sucker Punch which opened this past Friday.

Hyperbole aside, the article does manage to be unbiased and gives interesting insight into the whole situation. I don't think Snyder is going to be booted from the project, and I don't even think he'll have any less creative or directorial freedom than he's already had or will have. WB knew what kind of movie Sucker Punch was when they hired Snyder, and apparently Sucker Punch didn't perform that badly against studio expectations which allegedly were already on the low side.

WB won't give Snyder complete creative autonomy (this is Superman, after all) but they probably weren't going to do that in the first place, either. They probably feel Snyder's visual panache and Nolan's storytelling abilities were the right mix. Let's hope so; the studio can't afford another "modest" hit after Superman Returns underperformed back in 2006. Snyder's Superman needs to be a hit or else the Superman character might be dead for a while as a film property, and some (one) might lose their job at WB.
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