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Old March 1 2011, 04:53 PM   #1006
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

Personally, I'm always looking for the kind of tone you see in the first half of the first season of TOS, or the third season (and some of the second) of TNG.

Those are really the high points for me. I enjoy the rest of franchise a great deal, but overall those particular periods in Trek's history are certainly my favourite (though there are also some standouts scattered across the various shows and seasons). It's also one of the reasons I've always enjoyed Exeter; it captures that tone very well.

But as with all else, it's a purely subjective thing.
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Old March 1 2011, 05:06 PM   #1007
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And those analogies are infinitely better than incomprehensible technobabble, that no one really cares about and doesn't make any sense anyway.

"The notion of transwarp beaming is like tryin to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold riding a horse."

The "tailpipe" in TUC.

Or the nearly complete lack of explanation in TWOK for the Genesis device ... "life from lifelessness"
With the exception of Star Trek 2009, the other two have actual (in movie) explanations to flesh out how they work.
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Old March 1 2011, 05:09 PM   #1008
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

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And those analogies are infinitely better than incomprehensible technobabble, that no one really cares about and doesn't make any sense anyway.

"The notion of transwarp beaming is like tryin to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold riding a horse."

The "tailpipe" in TUC.

Or the nearly complete lack of explanation in TWOK for the Genesis device ... "life from lifelessness"
With the exception of Star Trek 2009, the other two have actual explanations to flesh out how they work.
If you can say right now exactly how a transporter works in the real world, and convince me Orci et al should have been aware of that explanation, then I'll agree that they might have considered fleshing out the bullet analogy, for the sake of realism.
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Old March 1 2011, 05:11 PM   #1009
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And those analogies are infinitely better than incomprehensible technobabble, that no one really cares about and doesn't make any sense anyway.

"The notion of transwarp beaming is like tryin to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold riding a horse."

The "tailpipe" in TUC.

Or the nearly complete lack of explanation in TWOK for the Genesis device ... "life from lifelessness"
With the exception of Star Trek 2009, the other two have actual explanations to flesh out how they work.
If you can say right now exactly how a transporter works in the real world, and convince me Orci et al should have been aware of that explanation, then I'll agree that they might have considered fleshing out the bullet analogy, for the sake of realism.
Seems to me it would be about as difficult as fleshing out a magic terraforming torpedo. YMMV.
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Old March 1 2011, 06:14 PM   #1010
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Personally, I'm always looking for the kind of tone you see in the first half of the first season of TOS, or the third season (and some of the second) of TNG.
The first year of TOS is Star Trek, to me. There are about seven or eight episodes scattered between years two and three that I really like as well.
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Old March 1 2011, 06:53 PM   #1011
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And those analogies are infinitely better than incomprehensible technobabble, that no one really cares about and doesn't make any sense anyway.

"The notion of transwarp beaming is like tryin to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold riding a horse."

The "tailpipe" in TUC.

Or the nearly complete lack of explanation in TWOK for the Genesis device ... "life from lifelessness"
With the exception of Star Trek 2009, the other two have actual (in movie) explanations to flesh out how they work.
Nope.
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Old March 1 2011, 06:56 PM   #1012
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The "tailpipe" line is one of the lamest things ever put on screen in a Star Trek movie, and the bullshit "explanation" for the Genesis device makes the case for "red matter did it" as brilliant by comparison.
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Old March 1 2011, 08:49 PM   #1013
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And those analogies are infinitely better than incomprehensible technobabble, that no one really cares about and doesn't make any sense anyway.

"The notion of transwarp beaming is like tryin to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet while wearing a blindfold riding a horse."

The "tailpipe" in TUC.

Or the nearly complete lack of explanation in TWOK for the Genesis device ... "life from lifelessness"
With the exception of Star Trek 2009, the other two have actual (in movie) explanations to flesh out how they work.
Nope.
Might want to go back an re-watch The Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. Whether or not you like the explanations are irrelevant... they do exist.

The Wrath of Khan wrote:


CAROL (on viewscreen): What exactly is Genesis? Well, put simply, Genesis is life from lifelessness. It is a process whereby molecular structure is reorganised at he subatomic level into life-generating matter of equal mass. Stage One of our experiments was conducted in the laboratory. Stage Two of the series will be attempted in a lifeless underground. Stage Three will involve the process on a planetary scale. It is our intention to introduce the Genesis device into the pre-selected area of a lifeless space body, such a moon or other dead form. The device is delivered, instantaneously causing what we call the Genesis Effect. Matter is reorganised with life-generating results. ...Instead of a dead moon, a living, breathing planet, capable of sustaining whatever lifeforms we see fit to deposit on it.
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Old March 1 2011, 09:45 PM   #1014
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Not to mention the reasoning behind the 'tail pipe' sequence in The Undiscovered Country.


Spock: Gas. Gas, Captain! Under normal, impulse power she expends fuel like any other vessel. We call it, "plasma", but whatever the Klingon designation is, it is merely ionized gas.

Uhura: What about all that equipment we're carrying to catalogue gaseous anomalies?

*Kirk's brows go up*

Uhura: Well, the thing's gotta have a tailpipe.

If it could work for today's heat seeking missiles, it could certainly work for 23rd Century photon torpedoes.
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Old March 1 2011, 09:59 PM   #1015
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If it could work for today's heat seeking missiles, it could certainly work for 23rd Century photon torpedoes.
Which is why it seems unusual to me that it would take a communications officer to re-think of it. Yes, I know Spock started the line of reasoning. But why did one of the greatest minds of the Federation wait until he was being shot at to come up with a cloak detector?

I'm torn between being glad that they didn't try to hypercharge the subspace spectrum in the gluon phase in order to detect Chang's ship and hating that instead they came up with a fairly simple 20th century weapon that someone should have thought of before.

They came up with an unbeatable weapon and didn't ever come up with a really good way to beat it. (See also The Picard Maneuver.)

Red matter still sounds like a place holder where they had written "BAD STUFF happens, pisses off Nero and causes time travel".

Genesis is magic, but at least they don't try to over explain it and the characters find it magical.
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Old March 2 2011, 02:23 AM   #1016
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If it could work for today's heat seeking missiles, it could certainly work for 23rd Century photon torpedoes.
Which is why it seems unusual to me that it would take a communications officer to re-think of it.
Uhura must have spent her Klingon language classes reading textbooks about Impulse Engineering.
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Old March 2 2011, 03:28 AM   #1017
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

Well, there is a case to be made for detailed explanations.

Good thing Kirk was paying attention during Sulu's mini-lecture during Shore Leave on how guns work:
Sulu: It fires lead pellets propelled by expanding gases from a chemical explosion.
Because, this knowledge certainly came in handy a few weeks later during Arena. Otherwise, Kirk might not have ever known people ever used chemical explosions this way, back in the day.

What would you call this dialog from Shore Leave, "anti-techno-babble"?
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Old March 2 2011, 06:37 AM   #1018
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

Kirk's response of "the fresh air seems to have made you trigger happy" indicates to me that he didn't need a lecture on the function of basic firearms.
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Old March 2 2011, 06:42 AM   #1019
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Kirk's response of "the fresh air seems to have made you trigger happy" indicates to me that he didn't need a lecture on the function of basic firearms.

My point exactly: neither did we.

I guess I forgot to say *ahem*.
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Old March 2 2011, 04:02 PM   #1020
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Sulu: It fires lead pellets propelled by expanding gases from a chemical explosion.
What would you call this dialog from Shore Leave, "anti-techno-babble"?
That line of dialogue is designed to make the weapon seem exotic by future standards... and it serves its purpose.
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